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Is this as rare as I think it is? 1944 Omega 2300/7 Copper and Black tuxedo dial

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I think chat GPT is full of shit 🤣 I pulled out my new magnifier that arrived today and its a small piece of something or another on the inside of the crystal 🤣🥰🤣

Sucks being old and blind

I asked ChatGPT, and ChatGPT said that ChatGPT was simply wrong. There is no accent over the A.
 
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First, here’s what some others said about the OP’s watch, along with some more AI drivel:

https://www.reddit.com/r/VintageWatches/comments/1tgbn4v/is_this_as_rare_as_i_think_it_is_1944_omega_23007

Second, the OP asked about rarity (scratch on the dial that looks like an accent mark, but isn’t, not withstanding).

Any 80 year old Omega with a two-tone (IMO) original dial in that condition is extremely hard to find. However, the value in a piece like this is based on what someone else would pay for it. In other words, if both the supply and the demand are low, it isn’t going to be very valuable.

Another factor keeping the demand low is the size of the watch. From what I can see, it looks to be 30mm diameter or less. In today’s world, that’s considered a ladies watch in a market where most women wear men’s size watches if they choose to wear one at all. Even less demand.

So it is rare? Probably. Does that make it valuable? Probably not.

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First, here’s what some others said about the OP’s watch, along with some more AI drivel:

So it is rare? Probably. Does that make it valuable? Probably not.

gatorcpa

Not written by AI.

I just posted this because I was excited that, just maybe, I had found something rare and cool. For some reason the use of AI by a third party seems to be the only thing interesting about the watch.

I did ask Chat GPT about the accent mark and I posted its response saying that it doesn't sound right as I was very doubtful about the respinse I received. I thought this community might appreciate it, if it was actually as interesting as I was led to beleive, but apparently not 🤣

I don't really care about the value because I'm keeping this one because I like it and have never seen one like it, and I thought this community might as well.

I have attached a screenshot of the text received from the person who I believed knew what they were talking about.

Edit - I attached the screenshot twice accidentally

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Not written by AI.

Is there anyone you could recommend in Australia who could look at the dial closely in person to give an actual honest opinion instead of a computer processed one 🤣🤣🤣
 
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FWIW, I don't have any reason to doubt the dial, but I think we would all appreciate better photos if you can manage it. You've gotten some pushback because of the combination of poor photos, AI "slop", and the use of the trigger-word "rare." Most likely, you have a nice find.
 
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Dan S Dan S
FWIW, I don't have any reason to doubt the dial, but I think we would all appreciate better photos if you can manage it. You've gotten some pushback because of the combination of poor photos, AI "slop", and the use of the trigger-word "rare." Most likely, you have a nice find.
I didn't know that was a trigger word, I would be excited if someone came to me with something they thought was cool 🤷‍♂️
I have very poor close up eyesight and struggle with a camera because of it. I'll ask my missus to take a picture when she gets home.
 
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I asked ChatGPT, and ChatGPT said that ChatGPT was simply wrong. There is no accent over the A.
🤣🤣 my favourite post
 
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@gatorcpa

The watch is definitely small, looks to be very close to 32mm, just under.

Edit: I have hands like bunches of bananas, they make everything look small unfortunately 😢
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To explain a little, “rare” is something of a trigger word as for every new member who posts a watch they describe as rare through genuine excitement and interest, there are ten others who list bang average ‘rare’ watches, with hyperbole driven descriptions, with the pure intent of driving up their price before selling.

It does mean that the occasional, honest, new member gets a bit more pushback than may otherwise seem reasonable but that’s the background.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

The best place in the world to get valid opinions on your dial is here, if you can post some better pictures. Try using indirect natural light (eg near a window).
 
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To explain a little, “rare” is something of a trigger word as for every new member who posts a watch they describe as rare through genuine excitement and interest, there are ten others who list bang average ‘rare’ watches, with hyperbole driven descriptions, with the pure intent of driving up their price before selling.

It does mean that the occasional, honest, new member gets a bit more pushback than may otherwise seem reasonable but that’s the background.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

The best place in the world to get valid opinions on your dial is here, if you can post some better pictures. Try using indirect natural light (eg near a window).
I think I'll stick with pictures my missus takes. I can't tell if anything I take is good or not 🤣
 
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To explain a little, “rare” is something of a trigger word as for every new member who posts a watch they describe as rare through genuine excitement and interest, there are ten others who list bang average ‘rare’ watches, with hyperbole driven descriptions, with the pure intent of driving up their price before selling.

It does mean that the occasional, honest, new member gets a bit more pushback than may otherwise seem reasonable but that’s the background.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

The best place in the world to get valid opinions on your dial is here, if you can post some better pictures. Try using indirect natural light (eg near a window).
And while I am thinning down my watch collection, I love this one and it is not for sale but I understand the annoyance 👍
 
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Please refrain from posting any AI slop...
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Fair enough, it was pretty damn wrong 🤣
Full marks to a fun OF-er for taking all the medicine in a sporting fashion. It's still a nice watch. But moving on, this thread is a practically pinnable example of what can go wrong. As it's completely accessible to anyone who may know little of either watches or the French language, I'll probably be using these lessons elsewhere (anonymously of course). Slippery slope though as we all know, and for OF to be a "safe" resource we need to get stakes into the ground. Knowledgeable members have just about enough time and energy to hold the line against human error or nonsense from the likes of e.g. me, but AI is a more formidable opponent. Do the mods have a strategy going on this that we need to get with? (If the rules are already widely known, sorry and I humbly desist.)
 
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From another 2300 reference owner, welcome to the forum.

Not that uncommon but the black dial is unusual to what I have seen. That said I saw so many different dial variants when I researched this case reference originally after inheriting the watch. Most that I saw though had “Non Magnetic” underneath Omega on the dial like mine. I don’t have the best photos of my example but will share better ones when I can.
IMG_0352.webp IMG_0355.webp IMG_0439.webp
(Bottom Left of photo immediately above)

Mine is a 2300/3 with also a R17.8 caliber. I should add that when I asked omega to provide an extract of the archives, when they still offered them, omega would not supply one and offered no reason as to why. They have been discussions about damaged records, mismatched movements here on OF, but with an 80 year old watch, who knows.

Edit: fixed an error of writing fab Susie when I should have noted non magnetic
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Update:

Today I met an ex-Omega watchmaker who did his apprenticeship in NZ (Nairne Swiss watchmaking service) with Omega who now works here in Oz and he went over the watch with a fine tooth comb. He is of the opinion that everything important (excluding strap, buckle and he's 50/50 on the crystal but thought it seemed right for the period but well polished over time) is completly original and he was a bit stunned that it had survived in such good condition.

Champion of a guy, he was looking over a few watches I was selling to a dealer before the deal was finalised.

I also went past the Omega Boutique and Service Centre in Collins Street Melbourne and they were of the same opinion, even though none of them had ever seen or heard of one like it. We even spend an hour or so running through thier history books and old advertising. They did say that most wartime Medico models were not in any standard advertising.
 
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They did say that most wartime Medico models were not in any standard advertising.
Not sure that you could consider the Ref. 2300 to be one of the “Medicus” model line.

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/vintage-watches?reference=Medicus

According to Omega, there are 17 different case references named Medicus. All have center seconds versions of the Cal. 23,4 movement. Some models were introduced in 1939 or later, which means they could be “wartime watches”. However, none of the Medicus models have the Cal. R17,8 or any of its variants.

Omega’s Database is far from perfect, but it’s all we have.
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Best I can do you from AJTT.
Same case reference anyway.
Although from your (very blurry) dial pic, yours doesn’t appear to have the 1/5th second division.
(The OB should have had a copy to show you these references )

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Best I can do you from AJTT.
Same case reference anyway.
Although from your (very blurry) dial pic, yours doesn’t appear to have the 1/5th second division.
(The OB should have had a copy to show you these references )

IMG_3785.webp IMG_3786.webp
It has the 1/5 second division.

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Not sure that you could consider the Ref. 2300 to be one of the Medicus line
gatorcpa

I wish I knew, that was advice I was given and "allegedly" the rose gold bezel and gold/copper alloy dials versions were specifically made for medical heads of staff, surgeons etc. in WW2, but that could be a whole load of cods-whallop for all I know as Omega advised a lot of thier archive from around WW2 is pretty messed up 🤣
 
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No matter what I do I cannot get a picture to show the true shine of the gold/copper alloy. Its actually shiny like rose gold but a little bit more orange/salmon colour.

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It has the 1/5 second division.

Screenshot_20260520_215628_Gallery.webp 20260518_205646.webp
 
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It has the 1/5 second division.

Screenshot_20260520_215628_Gallery.webp 20260518_205646.webp
That’s a much better image!

You can even see the accent over the Á now
😉
 
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