Is this an original dial?

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kyle L

·Aug 16, 2012·Grasshopper

Couldn't resist putting in a bid and I ended up getting it. This always happens when I'm trying to save for something else...😜

 

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dsio

·Aug 17, 2012·Ash @ ΩF

I know what you mean, I'm about to become a Speedmaster owner when I was saving for a new apartment to live in 😜

 

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adam78

·Aug 17, 2012

I favor original, Kyle. Nice one! Perhaps Dennis will pipe in.

What's the case size?

Reminds me of this 35mm of mine:

 

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kyle L

·Aug 17, 2012·Grasshopper

It should be a little smaller than the Seamasters, I think it measures about 32/33mm. That's a really nice one, do you still have it?

 

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adam78

·Aug 17, 2012

kyle L

It should be a little smaller than the Seamasters, I think it measures about 32/33mm. That's a really nice one, do you still have it?

Yes, one of two triple dates I own (the other is a 14K cal. 72C Benrus Sky Chief).

 

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ulackfocus

·Aug 17, 2012

Kyle, I'm not sure if it's original or not. The spot to study is the tips of the C. Yours is plain while the originals usually have a little barb on at least the top tip. Adam's watch has it on both ends.

 

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gatorcpa

·Aug 17, 2012·ΩF InvestiGator

There are several different iterations of the JLC logo. Not sure if all had barbs on the "C" or not. Here's one of mine with very small barbs. Sorry that I lack focus! 😀



However, that particular watch seems to be a little too "busy" at the bottom above the 6. I would need to examine up close and personal to determine if dial was original.

Take care,
gatorcpa



Edit - After putting the two pics next to each other, there are some things that concern me about that dial.

1. The line under the logo has sharp angles under the J and second R, that the other dials shown here don't have.
2. The "U" seems to be a tiny bit off-line.
3. The middle serif of the E's are not eccentric like in the other dials.

I'd pass on this one.

 

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kyle L

·Aug 17, 2012·Grasshopper

Hmm...just took a look at the minute track and at some points it seems uneven. It could be the crystal that is distorting them, but Ill take some better pictures when I get it.

 

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gatorcpa

·Aug 17, 2012·ΩF InvestiGator

If the listing says "original dial", and you paid premium money, I'd consider asking for a refund. If you got it at a good price, no one is going to know the difference.

Except us, of course. 😜

Enjoy,
gatorcpa

 

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ulackfocus

·Aug 17, 2012

gatorcpa

If the listing says "original dial", and you paid premium money, I'd consider asking for a refund. If you got it at a good price, no one is going to know the difference.

Are you kidding? It's Kyle - of COURSE he got a great price!

 

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kyle L

·Aug 17, 2012·Grasshopper

gatorcpa

If the listing says "original dial", and you paid premium money, I'd consider asking for a refund. If you got it at a good price, no one is going to know the difference.

Except us, of course. 😜

Enjoy,
gatorcpa

Unfortunately there are no returns, and the seller didn't say it was original. I think I got it for a fair price though. Even if it is a redial, I might keep this one!

 

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kyle L

·Aug 17, 2012·Grasshopper

U ulackfocus

Are you kidding? It's Kyle - of COURSE he got a great price!

I don't know about this time...😜

 

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gatorcpa

·Aug 17, 2012·ΩF InvestiGator

D -

Can you post a pic of one of your JLC factory redos here? I wonder how they stack-up against the logo on Kyle's watch. It's that good.

Take care,
gatorcpa

 

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cicindela

·Aug 17, 2012·Steve @ ΩF

We're sorry the Dennis is busy at the moment 😁

 

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ulackfocus

·Aug 17, 2012

gatorcpa

D -

Can you post a pic of one of your JLC factory redos here? I wonder how they stack-up against the logo on Kyle's watch. It's that good.

You got it. Let's start with the '66 Memovox, which was confirmed original by Le Sentier.



The barb is very crisp at the top of the C.

Here's the '65 caliber 800C.



A little less crisp, but there nonetheless.

Now here's the '46 caliber 428 - a very close relative to Kyle's watch - that just came back from restoration.



I don't see the barbs. Weird, huh?

 

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kyle L

·Aug 17, 2012·Grasshopper

What about this one?

 

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gatorcpa

·Aug 18, 2012·ΩF InvestiGator

I blew-up your picture a little bit:

Still no sharp angle to the underline, the bars on the E's are closer to the top and the U is on line with the other letters.
gatorcpa

 

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kyle L

·Aug 20, 2012·Grasshopper

Well...the markers are actually yellow gold. I thought it might be a bumper but it actually has a manual movement. Printing and minute track aren't that crisp under a loupe, so I'm thinking it's an older redial?









Some other iffy areas:







Also wondering, what year is it from?

 

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ulackfocus

·Aug 20, 2012

That looks like my caliber 428.




Is the serial number 417747? I'll look it up for you in my book but it's really close to the serial of mine as you can see. That puts it around 1946.

 

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kyle L

·Aug 20, 2012·Grasshopper

U ulackfocus

That looks like my caliber 428.




Is the serial number 417747? I'll look it up for you in my book but it's really close to the serial of mine as you can see. That puts it around 1946.

Yep. Does your watch take a 17mm strap?