Is this a Omega Constellation redial?

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I'm relatively new to vintage watches and came across this constellation yesterday at a cheap price. I'm expecting a redial but want to make sure. I have looked at some of the guides but I would appreciate your opinions. And apologies these are the best photos I have currently.

 
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I'm afraid the photos are too blurry to tell anything for certain.

The fact that they are so blurry (and that even the calibre is concealed in the movement photo) is not encouraging, however; and, at least based on these pictures, something seems to be off about the star
 
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I was looking at the star and thought it seemed a bit iffy too. I've asked for some close up photos so hopefully he will provide them. And thank you for your reply.
I'm afraid the photos are too blurry to tell anything for certain.

The fact that they are so blurry (and that even the calibre is concealed in the movement photo) is not encouraging, however; and, at least based on these pictures, something seems to be off about the star
 
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The lugs have been heavily polished. It also looks to me as though the calendar window has an issue. I'd keep looking for someone else.
 
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The price the seller is looking for is
The lugs have been heavily polished. In also looks to me as though the calendar window has an issue. I'd keep looking for someone else.
The seller is selling it at about $550 but I'm waiting on more pics right now so I can have a better idea. This would probably be a flip job tbh as I want to get some money together to improve my small vintage collection.
 
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More photos of the dial and movement. Hope these help.
I'm afraid the photos are too blurry to tell anything for certain.

The fact that they are so blurry (and that even the calibre is concealed in the movement photo) is not encouraging, however; and, at least based on these pictures, something seems to be off about the star

 
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There is definitely something off about this watch but as above, the pics are too blurry to assess the watch properly.

The dial is at best a later replacement but much more likely a facsimile.

The medallion is off, including the shape of the observatory and the size and arrangement of the stars.

Unless you can get crystal clear photos I wouldn’t be a buyer for this watch.
 
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The date surround also appears to be incorrect.

Yes, that date surround only appears on the later ‘far east’ dogleg Constellation and is the classic tell for a counterfeit dial.
The dial could feasibly be a later replacement dial as the fonts are surprisingly good.
However, as everything about the dial is attempting to replicate a period dial (except the date surround) it’s a dead giveaway away for a fake dial.
In addition, I never seen a genuine period Constellation dial with that indices arrangement or a flat star.
 
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At $550 I'd personally take a stab..

Unfortunately, that is what the counterfeiters are banking on.
If it’s too good to be true, it often is.
 
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it feels off. IMO the dial is remade, the case is wrong somehow. The hands are wrong. Even in Vietnam, you should pay around 1300-1500usd for an acceptable pie-pan dogleg.
 
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I'm relatively new to vintage watches and came across this constellation yesterday at a cheap price. I'm expecting a redial but want to make sure. I have looked at some of the guides but I would appreciate your opinions. And apologies these are the best photos I have currently.

Hello there kazd here, I was looking at this constellation and noticed first of all something not right about the star below the constellation word it looks little crooked , and the hands probably not correct other members noticed similar detail but I’m no expert this is only my humble opinion , I’ll include one of my constellation pic here, it’s almost same dial but with lots of patina and no wording of officially certified , so you can compare hope this helps again mho, I’m actually including pics two of my Connies kazd h
 
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Hello there kazd here, I was looking at this constellation and noticed first of all something not right about the star below the constellation word it looks little crooked , and the hands probably not correct other members noticed similar detail but I’m no expert this is only my humble opinion , I’ll include one of my constellation pic here, it’s almost same dial but with lots of patina and no wording of officially certified , so you can compare hope this helps again mho, I’m actually including pics two of my Connies kazd
Your 14902 is a known (less common) dial variation whereas the OPs watch dial is not.

If by crooked you mean slightly rotated, then wonky stars are a very well known issue with Constellations - no-one really knows why they rotate but a common theory is that it is possibly to do with some kind of degradation to the dial finish.
The photos are less than useful but the star on the OPs watch actually looks flat - which would be very wrong.

If you compare the medallion on your 168.005 with the OPs medallion you will also see the variation in the medallion too.
 
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Your 14902 is a known (less common) dial variation whereas the OPs watch dial is not.

If by crooked you mean slightly rotated, then wonky stars are a very well known issue with Constellations - no-one really knows why they rotate but a common theory is that it is possibly to do with some kind of degradation to the dial finish.
The photos are less than useful but the star on the OPs watch actually looks flat - which would be very wrong.

If you compare the medallion on your 168.005 with the OPs medallion you will also see the variation in the medallion too.
 
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Thanks for the reply, and you guys are just amazing with the knowledge and sharp eye to details , and there is many many fakes of the constellations , so one has to know what to look for , and you guys on this forum are a treasure for the intelligent assessments so one can have peace of mind asking you for opinion , that’s why I love this forum , kazd , good day to everyone,
 
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Unfortunately, that is what the counterfeiters are banking on.
If it’s too good to be true, it often is.
Oh absolutely, there’s red flags all over this, though with all the parts it still seems to be at least $550 value to me.

I’d be surprised if the seller was the counterfeiter themselves, worse redials routinely get flogged on eBay for much more.
 
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Oh absolutely, there’s red flags all over this, though with all the parts it still seems to be at least $550 value to me.

I’d be surprised if the seller was the counterfeiter themselves, worse redials routinely get flogged on eBay for much more.
Fake dial
Fake case
very tired looking movement - with possibly amended calibre?
Not sure there is $500 worth of anything to sell.
 
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Fake dial
Fake case
very tired looking movement - with possibly amended calibre?
Not sure there is $500 worth of anything to sell.
🤷‍♂️ Doesn't strike me as a fake case, just not an astounding one.

The watermark in the photo says Chotot, which seems to be a Vietnamese marketplace, so this is definitely a Vietnam special.