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  1. Jeff Crawley Sep 24, 2019

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    Here's an interesting one for the forum. My daughter has an Omega which was once owned by her Grandfather and needs some repair (new crystal and the second hand has dropped off). I always assumed it was one of the Dirty Dozen as her Grandfather referred to it as "the watch King George gave him" - not literally, he was an officer in the Polish Army.

    Looking closely it has no broad arrow or W.W.W. markings. The numbers are non-reflective gold. Minutes have railroad markings and the seconds dial is at 6 o'clock. The back is plain apart from the numbers 1026 3005. On the inside of the back it has a triangle with the Ω and OMEGA inside it; the words FAB.- SUISSE and SWISS MADE along with STAYBRITE and STAINLESS STEEL. The movement serial number is 9407685 so it was made in 1939, years before the British government put in their order.

    Digging deeper I found the SWEDISH Army ordered watches in the early 1940s too and hers has a similar face but doesn't say "Officer" on it (or have the special back of the Omega Officer). Deeper still and there's a Swedish civilian version called the Suverän - again a similar face but not quite the same and the hands are different.

    Now given that her Grandfather was in a Russian prison camp until late 1941/early 1942 when he came out via Persia to fight with the Polish 2nd Corps how would he have been issued with a watch made in 1939 and intended for the Swedish market? Or did Omega sell them inside Switzerland? I know he "visited" Switzerland in the months after WW2 ended as he brought a gold chronograph there.

    Any ideas gratefully received - sorry for the poor quality photos. Who knew it was so hard to photo a watch? BACK.JPG FACE 2.JPG FACE.JPG INSIDE.JPG WORKS1.JPG
     
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  2. Jeff Crawley Sep 24, 2019

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    Oh and it has sprung bars not welded ones!
     
  3. Rochete Sep 24, 2019

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    I think you need to try again with pics.
     
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  4. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Sep 24, 2019

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    My money is one of the civilian ones.
     
  5. Jeff Crawley Sep 24, 2019

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    THAT bad eh? It's off to the watchmaker tomorrow so maybe later.
     
  6. KingCrouchy Sep 24, 2019

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    It's hard to say from the pictures, but it's probably a civilian version.
     
  7. Toishome Sep 24, 2019

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    And the Emmy for the worst picture goes to ........:D
     
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  8. redpcar Sep 24, 2019

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    Have you considered a camera upgrade?

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  9. Ritzwatch Sep 24, 2019

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    I am going to forgive the picture quality, if for no other reason than you now have 3 posts and have yet to ask “How much is this worth?”

    Kudos to you! You are a rare bird in the world of “My relative has this watch, and....” :thumbsup:
     
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  10. S.H. Sep 24, 2019

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    As a general rule, most military watches -issued, government property, etc, ... are clearly marked as such at least in the West. So an unmarked Omega is usually civilian. As you implied, he may have bought it after the war in Switzerland...
     
  11. SG90 Sep 24, 2019

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    Is the dial black and red?::confused2::
     
  12. hanky6 Sep 24, 2019

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    As a Swede I have to say:
    It can be both Dirty and Swedish;)


    Sorry for not contributing in a meaningful way.
     
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  13. byunjoe Sep 24, 2019

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    judging by the colouration of the steel, I think it's black but the camera had the wrong settings (terrible focus notwithstanding)
     
  14. Canuck Sep 24, 2019

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    I seriously doubt that is the original case.
     
  15. jsducote Sep 25, 2019

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    Wouldn't a wartime dirty dozen have the twig & berries lume at 12 and dots at other indices? That alone makes me think this is post-war.
     
  16. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Sep 25, 2019

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    The Swedish watches have nothing to do with the dirty dozen. Different specs.
    The dial is inline with the issued pieces.
     
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