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RCAFBuster
·Id still expect an engraving, who knows if this is the original case back?
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Interesting Pre-Moon Speedy Extract...
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ndgal
·These fall into the same category. I have 3 IDF Omegas in my collection, two I got directly from the Pilots, with extracts, and they were given these as Wings Graduation pieces. There are no special engravings on the reverse, unlike the Kon Tikis.
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Post some pix!!
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RCAFBuster
·The SM 14755-62 is provenance from and IDF Helicopter pilot, the SM 300 and 120 I got directly from the A-4 Skyhawk pilots with Letters of Provenance and photos. The 120 dial has been redone but is the actual watch worn in over 12 years of Operational and Combat flying. None of them have any Military reference engravings on the reverse.
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Joe K.
··Curious about this text thingy below his avatarThe watches given to pilots/navigators/flown systems engineers at graduation did not have any issue markings. The only way to know for certain is provenance. There are indeed examples of IDF watches that carried issue marks. These were not gifts but issued and were expected to be returned. Examples include Eterna KonTIki supers, such as those shown in the example below.
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arvidrattlaas
·I have an extract for my 145.012-67 with the exact same 6th Fleet delivery. (It also just happens to land smack in the middle of the Ultraman serials). While cool, I don't think it would be considered a military-issued combat timing device. But we can always hope right!?
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Tik-Tok of Oz
·I'm sitting outside the NEX here in Naples, Italy, home of the Navy's mighty 6th Fleet drinking coffee. When I'm done I'll pop inside and see if they have any Speedmasters for sale. Last I checked they sold Casio, Invicta, and Movado watches.
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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaSorry for OT question, but is that a 1035 or a 1039 bracelet?
Looks like a 1039 or 1506 bracelet.
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dbane007
·Sorry for OT question, but is that a 1035 or a 1039 bracelet?
It's sporting a 1039 bracelet with 516 ends.
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watchlovr
·These fall into the same category. I have 3 IDF Omegas in my collection, two I got directly from the Pilots, with extracts, and they were given these as Wings Graduation pieces. There are no special engravings on the reverse, unlike the Kon Tikis.
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cell1010
·As far as I know there were also Heuers issued in the IDF and they had markings and therefor officially in use in the forces and under maintenance there.
So it would be interesting to find out, why they issued watches from certain brands and chose other brands for gifts...
So it would be interesting to find out, why they issued watches from certain brands and chose other brands for gifts...
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ndgal
·As far as I know there were also Heuers issued in the IDF and they had markings and therefor officially in use in the forces and under maintenance there.
So it would be interesting to find out, why they issued watches from certain brands and chose other brands for gifts...
Yes, there were
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Joe K.
··Curious about this text thingy below his avatarPurchase decisions were made by individual units or branches. Some of the units defined the watches as "fighting equipment" (weapons, optics/compasses, watches and some electronics are examples of equipment that falls into this category), this meant they were issued and given serial numbers. This type of equipment is expected to be returned when an individual transfers out of the unit. Other units did not define watches as such and the equipment was basically not expected to be returned (essentially gifted). For example, IAF pilots were "gifted" a timepiece, sunglasses, knife, flight overalls, etc., which they did were not require to return. Therefore the watches given to aircrew was not marked (with some exceptions).
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tyrantlizardrex
·1970 was an interesting year for the 6th fleet from the look of it:
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1970/07/26/page/12/article/u-s-6th-fleet-eyes-russ-buildup
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1970/07/26/page/12/article/u-s-6th-fleet-eyes-russ-buildup
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watchyouwant
·the Phillips Heuer issued by the IDF with the slanted M marking: it is a bit late ( they talk about 1983...) for that slanted M marking. The M markings should pre date the Hebrew markings with the stock number. that IDF Markings field is a murky field. many IDF super Kontikis have been engraved later, but you can still spot them with the location of the outside case number and the Fish. and, no, i will not further elaborate. this forum is widely read and we do not want more of these coming to the sale... kind regards. achim
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Joe K.
··Curious about this text thingy below his avatarCorrect.
Moreover, based on the production dates, the tools used to make the markings and other factors, I believe the vast majority of "IDF" Heuers that have sold in recent years have had their markings faked. Without the actual requisition records there is no way to validate the provenance claims, no matter what someone believes in...
Moreover, based on the production dates, the tools used to make the markings and other factors, I believe the vast majority of "IDF" Heuers that have sold in recent years have had their markings faked. Without the actual requisition records there is no way to validate the provenance claims, no matter what someone believes in...
the Phillips Heuer issued by the IDF with the slanted M marking: it is a bit late ( they talk about 1983...) for that slanted M marking. The M markings should pre date the Hebrew markings with the stock number. that IDF Markings field is a murky field. many IDF super Kontikis have been engraved later, but you can still spot them with the location of the outside case number and the Fish. and, no, i will not further elaborate. this forum is widely read and we do not want more of these coming to the sale... kind regards. achim
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cell1010
·Wow that's a great insight guys. I never dogged into that too deep but it seems to be a minefield. But it's understandable that when only a small engraving makes a lot of difference in value the dodgers are not far away...
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The Master of Speed
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