Dial says Omega Speedmaster. Serial number 22082934. Reference # 105.004-64 circa 1964. The 17 jewel, manual wind, calibre 321 movement and all chronographs function well. No crown guards case, straight lugs. I am concerned that the white "Speedmaster" tachometer dial is a repainted Seamaster dial. I am NOT very knowledgeable about these watches. This was supposedly purchased by my grandfather in 1965. He's not around to ask questions.... ;-(

 

Unfortunately it is a poor redial. Watch looks like it could use a sympathetic service, especially if it is to be used regularly. Other wise looks to be a nice watch.

 

Is it a Speedmaster or a Seamaster?

 

Hi Alex, welcome to OF!
I am sure other people with way more knowledge than me will chime in, but I am sorry to inform you that dial is not standard for a Speedmaster and is poorly re-painted. It is indeed a Seamaster reference; Omega did have Seamaster chronos using the 321 movement. The case also is not from a Speedmaster. The movement looks ok at first glance, but will need servicing if it has been unused for some years. If others agree, you may only need a proper dial to make it "right".

 

This is a Seamaster, according to the case reference and the OVD
Link: https://www.omegawatches.com/planet...ache=1&cHash=8e9625c58ff4b59b92a5c79722c7920c



1962 - 1965

Seamaster

ST 105.0004


Features
International collection

1962 - 1965

Dimensions: Ø35,5 mm

Case: Stainless steel

Case Back Type: Screw-in

Dial: Silvered, with luminous"index" hour markers and luminous "alpha" hands, with or without inner tachometer scale.

Crystal: Armoured glass

Bracelet: Leather


Movements
Type: Manual winding (mechanical)

Caliber Number: 321

Other

Created in 1946
17 jewels
Formerly called "27 CHRO C12 T2"
Used on first generation "moon watches"

TECHNICAL DATA
Water resistance

30 meters

 

Sooooo.....Where would one look to find an original replacement dial?

 

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Is this the same watch?

 

Did you inherit this from eBay, where it was recently available?

 

Yes it is. My brother was listing it for me. When someone said the dial looks re-painted, he pulled the listing.

 

No, My brother was listing it for me. When someone said the dial looks re-painted, he pulled the listing.

 

Good for pulling the listing and coming on here to get more information.

Looks like a Seamaster that someone did a really bad redial and probably put Speedmaster to make it more 'attractive" for some odd reason.

Understand that with the bad redial, the watches value is crushed, and whoever buys will A) already have a replacement dial or B) will budget getting the dial professionally redone. Either way, they won't pay a premium for it.

Now that you know it is a redial, list it is as such and let it run...the market will determine the value.

Personally, I love those old Seamaster chronos, and think the watch is worth the work for someone.

 

I should have done my homework BEFORE listing it........

 

Too bad they couldn't spell "Speadmaster" correctly......Or maybe "Seemaster" ?

Seriously, with some patience you should be able to hunt down a proper dial. Your patience would certainly be rewarded.

Cheers,

 

As above, it's definitely a repainted dial.

I assume you want to sell it? If so, you're better just selling it as is, with no service, as you're unlikely to recoup the time and money it would take to source as correct dial and the cost of a service.

If on the other hand you decide to keep it, get it serviced and get prepared for a good wait for an original dial.

 

Proper Seamaster dials come up from time to time. I think you could also use one from from 105.001 if you're less concerned about correctness and just want a nice watch.

This watch still houses a 321 and could make for a nice piece,just not with that dial.

 

As mentioned by others, it depends what your plans are for the watch. If you plan on keeping it, I would have it serviced and either look for a replacement dial (these occasionally appear on eBAY ) or have the dial refinished.
If your plans are for selling the watch then I would list it as is and let the auction playout. Between having it serviced and fiding a new dial the costs will be significant.

 

Seemaster? That is presumably a sports Omega for Presbyopia sufferers (over 50s with arms that are too short). If you find one let me know my over 50's eyes are shot.