Info on 2 watches, Enamel Dial 33.3 and Tissot/Omega CH15

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Hi,

I'm hoping to appeal to the experts on here for some further information on two watches, recently given to my brother and me by our grandfather. He's an avid watch collector but also an incredibly private individual, so all my attempts to ask for further info from him have been deferred or deflected.

The first is an Omega 33.3 with an enamel, multi scale dial and a twin-pusher chronograph arrangement (most enamel dials I have found have been mono-pushers). The second is a double stamped Tissot/Omega with a Ch15 movement (non shock-protected) and an interesting Scarab lug case. It is clear to me, and the watchmaker who opened them for me, that the cases have been refinished to a high level. Neither of us are knowledgeable enough to know whether the dials on both watches are original. The condition on both of them is excellent, but perhaps 'too good', enough to raise the question. I was able to track down the following information, via an AD in Cape Town (where I live), who contacted a colleague at Omega in Switzerland who looked up the serial of the Omega and replied with this:

Ck987 /5
Mvmt : 33.3 chr t5
Cadran emaile
1946

"The Heritage Brand Manager has told me that with the Serial Number you provided we can guarantee almost 100% that it’s a fully original OMEGA - movement too from the same year. This reference was delivered in 1946 (1 year after the end of the war) however we are not able to track to which country."

I appreciate any help or guidance that might come from here. Our intention is probably to sell them, although we're both keen watch enthusiasts, these watches are well above our means and interests.

 
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At least the Tissot looks suspicous to me. Bad paint on numbers (like the 8 on the Telemeter scale) and also the blued hands looks more like painted blue and not blued in the correct way.
The Omega I can't comment, but my guts tell me redial as well.

Nico
 
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Not all 2s are the same
 
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I’m on board with the Omega/Tissot being a redial. The dial printing is missing “Omega Watch Co.”, which is usually found on these dual branded chronographs.



The movement looks correct on this piece, but there are so many interchangeable parts between Omega, Tissot and Lemania chronographs of this period, it’s really impossible to tell. I really like the scarab type case on this one.

The first Omega is a bit of a mystery to me. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one with the actual case reference number and no case serial number before, but by 1946, Omega was distributing watches this way, so it is possible.

Also, by 1946, enamel dials were not being used as often as silver printed dials.

My gut tells me that it is possible that the dial is original, but that it could have been from an earlier watch and/or very professionally restored. There are people who are masters at re-doing enamel dials. Certainly a watch of this value would warrant such an expensive restoration.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
 
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I’m afraid the quality of neither dial is up to scratch from what I’ve seen here over the years. +1 on @gatorcpa theory.
 
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I’m on board with the Omega/Tissot being a redial. The dial printing is missing “Omega Watch Co.”, which is usually found on these dual branded chronographs.



The movement looks correct on this piece, but there are so many interchangeable parts between Omega, Tissot and Lemania chronographs of this period, it’s really impossible to tell. I really like the scarab type case on this one.

The first Omega is a bit of a mystery to me. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one with the actual case reference number and no case serial number before, but by 1946, Omega was distributing watches this way, so it is possible.

Also, by 1946, enamel dials were not being used as often as silver printed dials.

My gut tells me that it is possible that the dial is original, but that it could have been from an earlier watch and/or very professionally restored. There are people who are masters at re-doing enamel dials. Certainly a watch of this value would warrant such an expensive restoration.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
Thanks @gatorcpa, thats pretty similar to my current logic. My first instinct would be a well executed redial but the fact that it sits so late in the production period for the CK987 (from what I understand) might mean an unconventional combination of dial, case etc. Having it confirmed by Omega as an enamel dial when delivered also threw me. I'd love to hear from any others who have an opinion, really appreciate the help so far.
 
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But the enamel is bubbly and the beginning of the snail touches Omega
 
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Just noticed this:



Looks like a chip in the enamel near "105".

gatorcpa