In your opinion, is the Omega Speedmaster considered a true "Pilot's Watch?"

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The lesser known "Bus Driver's Watch(es)" 馃榿

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The lesser known "Bus Driver's Watch(es)" 馃榿

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@OmegaRolex : to get back on topic (only to veer off in a minute), I stick to my contention that by your definition, the Speedmaster is NOT a pilot watch. HOWEVER, it is an extremely narrow definition of a "pilot's watch." I would posit that a better definition of a "pilot's watch" is "a watch that a pilot wears that is easily legible and is accurate." Some qualities that are desired but not required are looks cool (it's tough to talk with your hands when your watch is lame), has a second time zone (I used that all the time in a previous life hauling rubber dog sh1t out of Hong Kong, but not so much these days), a stop watch (for if you can never remember to write down your takeoff and landing times), can take a beating (G-shocks are worn by tons of guys in my squadron), and impress the ladies (or fellas if that's your thing, I ain't judgin'). An informal survey of the 80ish guys in my squadron, maybe 30-45% wear a G-shock or Timex, 20-30% wear a Bremont (we have 3 different Special or Limited Editions through them, not counting the T-38 version), a handful of Citizen Nighthawks, and quite a few of the new Garmin D2 GPS flight watches (uninteresting, but a great resource if the ship hits the sand). *steps off soapbox*

So what's that like going back and forth regarding a big U-2 wing and a stubby T-38 wing? Do you have to put your big wing/small wing hats on interchangeably? I would imagine so! I fly with quite a few former USAF T-38 FAIP types at Delta...and they often comment on that stubby T-38 wing regarding how it can turn you into a smoking hole in a quick-like fashion. 馃槻

Nevertheless...that T-38 is a HOT ride! 馃槑

Yessir, the -38 is a blast to fly. It's like a drag racer: it goes really really fast in a straight line, but it doesn't really turn worth a damn. 10,000' to do a loop. Seriously. And yes, it can get difficult to switch between the planes, especially in the same day, and if you don't have a lot of time in either. It takes lots of study and chair flying, because the two planes couldn't get much different. On final, the mighty Deuce flies at less than half the speed of the Talon, but is a handful in it's own unique way. At altitude (>70,000'), the Deuce can turn on a dime, but at low altitude, with only cables and pulleys for flight controls, she's a beast. Throw in the adverse yaw from the long wings and fighting the smallest crosswinds and your legs get a helluva workout.

@tyrantlizardrex : it's a helluva ride in the T-38, 720* roll rate per second, so I bet we could get you to upchuck pretty quick 馃榾 And yes, Ray-Bans are a must, unless you got issued AO sunglasses and still wear them (cough cough)...

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@OmegaRolexit's a helluva ride in the T-38, 720* roll rate per second, so I bet we could get you to upchuck pretty quick 馃榾

I've always wondered, how much of a pilots ability to not get sick is natural genetics and how much is conditioning? Does it take time to get to a point where it doesn't bother you?


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I've always wondered, how much of a pilots ability to not get sick is natural genetics and how much is conditioning? Does it take time to get to a point where it doesn't bother you?


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All I do is speak from my own experience. I didn't ever get airsick in Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT). The guys that did get sick went to the doctor to get "spun" in the barany chair to try and get them used to it or train them to not get sick. Those that got better could finish UPT. Those that didn't get over being airsick usually didn't finish the 54 week program.

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All I do is speak from my own experience. I didn't ever get airsick in Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT). The guys that did get sick went to the doctor to get "spun" in the barany chair to try and get them used to it or train them to not get sick. Those that got better could finish UPT. Those that didn't get over being airsick usually didn't finish the 54 week program.

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Thanks for the added information.

Do you have any recollection of how many guys were able to train themselves not to get sick? Was there a high success rate or was it very rare for someone predisposed to getting sick to be able to get over it?


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I've always wondered this even prior to getting into the brand. I pulled something interesting I read online, and the speedmaster seems to match all of the requirements...

To answer the title of the thread directly, in my opinion, the Speedmaster is not considered a true Pilot's Watch. That of course does not mean it isn't suitable to be worn pilots nor that it is preferred by some pilots.

If you asked whether the Speedmaster is a true belt intended to be worn around the waist, I would also say no, and yet I have seen pictorial evidence in this very fine forum that such a use not only is possible but has been proven!



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...If you asked whether the Speedmaster is a true belt intended to be worn around the waist, I would also say no, and yet I have seen pictorial evidence in this very fine forum that such a use not only is possible but has been proven!
You must be referring to the evidence pictured below. 馃榿

 
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They shouldn't be no matter how they're marketed. Look at the A-11 watches worn by pilots in WWII - basic with lume.
A-11... no lume
A-17... lume

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Is it a pilot watch? Meh... maybe. According to your definition it seems like only the classic WWII fliegers would qualify.
Do pilots wear this watch? Absolutely.

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WOW!!!! Are you flying a U2??? What was the other? Trying to guess from the canopy and I want to say F15 Eagle or F16 Falcon. Thanks for the post. Loved the pics.

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I call this one "because I was inverted!"

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Do I NEED to wear it? Nope. Do I WANT to? Yup.

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I have a 145.012-67 that was worn by an F4 Phantom pilot during a number of tours over Vietnam during the Vietnam war. Although not designed as a pilots watch per se, they have certainly seen service in the skies.

This is one cool picture...So much is said through it...Amazing!
 
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Thanks for the added information.

Do you have any recollection of how many guys were able to train themselves not to get sick? Was there a high success rate or was it very rare for someone predisposed to getting sick to be able to get over it?


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Maybe 5 people ended up not getting over it in after the first couple flights and ended up going to the doc. I think 2 ended up washing out because they couldn't get over it...
 
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You must be referring to the evidence pictured below. 馃榿

Man, wearing a codpiece in jeans like that you really look like Simon Cowell
 
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Maybe 5 people ended up not getting over it in after the first couple flights and ended up going to the doc. I think 2 ended up washing out because they couldn't get over it...
Sounds similar to our Navy primary flight training in the T-34C Mentor. I remember doing the first PA (precision acrobatics) syllabus flight in the T-34C and felt a little green around the gills at the time...BUT...I never "talked on the big white phone"...came close, though. The second, third, fourth and subsequent PA syllabus flights were no big deal regarding airsickness...so I'm grateful for that.

Also, one of my fleet squadron mates (we flew SH-60B Seahawk helos) had initially been awarded jets out of primary flight training but he then had problems with airsickness in the T-2 Buckeye...the Docs worked with him but "no joy" regarding getting rid of his airsickness. Luckily, he had been doing very well in the T-2 (other than his airsickness problem) so he was allowed to roll over to helo training. I'm glad the Navy allowed him to stay in...he was one heck of a Naval Officer/Naval Aviator.
 
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The classic WW II pilot watches are large, clear & simple... but most pilot watches are a bit too cluttered...
My "vintage" favorite is the Accutron Astronaut ... as issued to USAF & NASA test pilots in the X-15 program... later also to CIA pilots
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I have been flying ex-military aircraft (very ex...) for 25 years, and I don't think I've gone up more than a couple of times while not wearing a Speedmaster. It is accurate and extremely legible with a quick glance. I'm also very superstitious and don't need the bad luck that would come with wearing a different watch.
 
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I have been flying ex-military aircraft (very ex...) for 25 years, and I don't think I've gone up more than a couple of times while not wearing a Speedmaster. It is accurate and extremely legible with a quick glance. I'm also very superstitious and don't need the bad luck that would come with wearing a different watch.
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For the sake of not entirely derailing the thread with aviation talk, I would not personally call the Speedmaster a "pilots" watch by any typical definition. Although, obviously, pilots can and do wear it. It's semantics, really. But interesting to hear people's opinions.