Hi, I'm new to the forum,I'm in need of help on this watch,been trying to get information on it but can't find anything. The case is in very good condition with nice bevel lugs , the dial show age and beautiful patina, the hands seemed to be relume and the chrono second hand is the same as the Zenith el primero, the movement is caliber 285 , large watch at 40 mm . To me this watch looks like the UG A.Cairelli ! So i need the knowledge of forum , is this a Frankenstein?
Please help thank you

 

Caseback? I'm leaning to Franken. It looks like a mishmash of parts.

 

Bezel, Dial, Chrono Hand all look wrong. Case, crown, pushers & movement might be ok ....

 

Hi , thank you for your response,also i can't find any numbers anywhere, here is a picture of the case back , thank you

 

No picture.. Don't buy this .

 

I'm trying to post the picture but no results on that, the case back is just plain! Thank you for your advice

 

Ok got it

 

Yea ... Just using Sala as a reference, this is a mess.

 

That's is what I was thinking! Again thank you so much for your response and help really appreciate. This one is going back!

 

Is this the same as this?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-UNIV...620520?hash=item25c9fd7368:g:W3kAAOSw44BYMcaKPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

 

Yes ,that's the one !

 

No wonder you don't find anything about it,

That is a made up watch, never leaved the UG factory that way...

Return it if you can

 

That's why is so important a forum like this . And yes this is going back to the seller! Thank you all for the feedback

 

That watch was listed twice...I suspect the same thing happened the first time

 

Best to always check here and contribute to the knowledge base.

 

Well the first buyer paid almost double what the OP did the 2nd time around. At some point, the watch will be about free by the time the 10th buyer gets their hands on it.

 

Lesson learned ! Thank you all

 

Hi again , seems that ebay favor fraudulent sellers ! I put a return claim (not authentic) and ebay is asking for a document from the manufacturer or from credible third party whith clearly describes the item differs from an authentic item , the document must be maid on official letterhead and includes the name, address ,phone number of business ! Please if any of you gentleman know were i can obtain this document in the NJ & NY USA area or via email,please let me know, thank you

 

What would "an authentic item" look like? The seller said "THE BACK AND CALIBRE 285 MOVEMENTS ARE BOTH SIGNED AND ARE BOTH 100% AUTHENTIC.WHILE IT IS BEST TO LET THE PICTURES SPEAK FOR THE CONDITION OF THE WATCH, MY WATCHMAKER AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THE CROWN AND HANDS ARE REPLACEMENTS." There is no clear statement of what it is supposed to be.
I think ebay (and you) are in a difficult situation.