Impulse 2998-3 purchase. Now looking for some guidance.

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We don’t see the dust cover and I see no SN on the movement as well as some damage. Need better movement pics. My view is that this is a put together watch.

I also noticed the damage by where the serial number should be. But then I was wondering if it was just a bad attempt to blur the number?
 
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No damage, just digitally "blurred" the serial number with a Voronoi filter.

Bezel does line up with the layout of the early 2998-3 bezels.
OP if you can give us something like 177621XX, it would be helpful placing it in time with other bezels.

A good clean photograph (ideally with a longer focal length) that is orthogonal with the bezel would be helpful to give best results on reporting on it.
 
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Agree … could be a digital artifact. If the seller is hiding the SN … red flag. I’ll bet the dust cover is missing also.
 
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it is a digital artifact. Also used to obfuscate other watchmaker marks on the inside of the caseback.
 
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I'm not a noob but I haven't handled many 2998s.

If I had seen this at a good price, I would have been a buyer. I think it's a solid good, maybe better. Of course, there are limited photos.

The case looks great. There's half the battle.

Can't see stains on the dial in these photos. Assuming no stains, look at the lume. The lume is so intact and color so nice, I'd question if it was relumed. I don't think so. The 5, 7, 8 , 10 and 11 o'clock lume have slightly shrunk around the edges, which is a good sign of originality. The lume doesn't bleed over edges. If it was a relume, it was done well and not recently. I think it's original, but judging lume is not my strength. I think the dial is good+, at least.

The bezel is tricky. To me, it looks legit. We sometimes see fatter font at the end of production runs. The scratches along the upper left make me nervous, as that is what we'd see if someone were aging a bezel. But it's also where cuff wear happens, especially if wearing a heavier fabric. If real, it's not a bad looking bezel, and certainly does not distract from the watch.

Service crown and pushers are acceptable, as it helps if you want to wear it and shows it was cared for. Movement is clean with nice screw heads. I did not check ser number but assume it is correct.

Hands are a little bummer, but hands often let down an otherwise great watch. These aren't moldy or scratched or rusty. That's positive. But they pop out. The sub hands and chrono are so unmarred that they are suspiciously clean. It would not surprise me if all the hands were replaced at Service, since this was clearly serviced. But it does not look Frankenstein.

As Spacefruit says, older Speedys have been around awhile so we should not be as harsh on them as a 105 or 145.

You asked for an opinion, so this is just one person's opinion. I like it and think you did well, assuming you didn't overpay. Fingers crossed other more experienced members don't find issues.
Hi, TBH - the pictures dont do it justice. You're right it has been serviced a number of times I blurred the markings with pixelation. The same with the ref number which aligns to what is expected on 101 for a 2998-3. The bezel based on Sharp's link looks to be a B1. The dots and font match up very well. Thanks for the thoughtful response. I appreciate you taking the time to look and reply.
 
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OP … blurring the SN is a no no if you are asking for opinions on a vintage watch especially a speedmaster. Thats an important tell as to legitimacy.
 
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Agree … could be a digital artifact. If the seller is hiding the SN … red flag. I’ll bet the dust cover is missing also.
Hi Larry, I hid the SN with a pixelated blur its not damage. Not sure why Ive just noticed everyone does it on Chrono24 (so i did the same). I've also pixel blurred the service engravings. I have checked the SN with the 101 website and can confirm it's right for a 2998-3. TBH after doing lots of really close zooms of the watch against the the 101 website and using the info everyone here has shared; I think the watch is good. I will be taking it to a professional for service and I will keep an eyeout for replacement hands. Once again appreciate your comments. There is a dust cover I just dont have any pictures and 101 says not to open the watch if your not qualified.
 
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while looking for original hands, you could have those relumed to color match.
 
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OP … blurring the SN is a no no if you are asking for opinions on a vintage watch especially a speedmaster. Thats an important tell as to legitimacy.
Understood. Im here to learn. As I said Im a Noob and this really was an impulse buy. What does OP mean?
 
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Understood. Im here to learn. As I said Im a Noob and this really was an impulse buy. What does OP mean?
Original Poster.
 
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I stupidly assumed the sn was correct and had been obscured.....still don't know why anyone is concerned about revealing sns. If the sn is in the proper range, and I'm guessing it is, you have a case, mvmnt and dial that I would not expect on a pieced together watch. Ouch, what is the sn?

And speaking to the comment about the dial being at least "good," I'd say it's closer to excellent.
 
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I stupidly assumed the sn was correct and had been obscured.....still don't know why anyone is concerned about revealing sns. If the sn is in the proper range, and I'm guessing it is, you have a case, mvmnt and dial that I would not expect on a pieced together watch. Ouch, what is the sn?

And speaking to the comment about the dial being at least "good," I'd say it's closer to excellent.
it's argued that a crook can file a police report with the full serial and make a claim to your watch. It's common practice in the watch hobby to obscure portions of serial numbers (ie 17,537,3XX). However, being able to see/visually inspect the majority of the engraving itself is important to determine authenticity.
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The dial is where its at. The case too. Id follow Spacefruits advice and check the hands with a geigercounter…if they are radium, they are likely original…and i wouldnt touch them…if not, they can be easily matched. Bezel looks correct…adds a bit of beaten charm…good original ones can be found (with patience) if you want to match it to the dial (whichs looks 👍)…which can greatly improve the wrist-pleasure…depending on what you paid, id say ‘well done’,
 
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Comparator animation against another B1 Mk1 bezel.


It is a weird bezel. The left side seems normal, but the right side is very fat with a rightward bias. The positioning does seem very close though.

The 6 in 160 and the 50 in 350 in particular standout. I guess it could be uneven pressure when they pad printed it?
 
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The dial is where its at. The case too. Id follow Spacefruits advice and check the hands with a geigercounter…if they are radium, they are likely original…and i wouldnt touch them…if not, they can be easily matched. Bezel looks correct…adds a bit of beaten charm…good original ones can be found (with patience) if you want to match it to the dial (whichs looks 👍)…which can greatly improve the wrist-pleasure…depending on what you paid, id say ‘well done’,
as radium has such a large half life, its easy to recycle it into relumes… so i tend not to take that as an absolute.
 
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as radium has such a large half life, its easy to recycle it into relumes… so i tend not to take that as an absolute.

Sure…but typically when they do that, they color it to make it matchy-matchy. As far as i have seen on the internet (aka SM101), the white lumed original radium watches were very early ones. Never seen one listed FS. But then i have not seen everything…so its just a hunch.
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it's argued that a crook can file a police report with the full serial and make a claim to your watch. It's common practice in the watch hobby to obscure portions of serial numbers (ie 17,537,3XX). However, being able to see/visually inspect the majority of the engraving itself is important to determine authenticity.
I'd like to meet the guy who lost his watch to a crook who filed a false report. And I am aware it's been a common irrational fear for a long time...and I think it's silly. Having a vin number to your car does not make it possible for me to steal it from you. Presenting a serial number for anything does not make anyone the owner of anything. Period. Now...if that crook had actual paperwork showing he had legally purchases an item and that paperwork included the sn...signatures...and everything else required to show purchase/ownership, then the crook/actual owner could start a long, difficult process.

And how about when you are selling/buying? I always expect to see a full sn when buying. What if that guy SAYING he wants to buy your watch is really a clever criminal genius who only intends to take that number to the cops and SWEAR that your watch is HIS? It should be noted that real risk in this scenario is to the clown trying to use a sn as proof of ownership to steal an item. The attempt to steal your property is much more likely to land the clown in jail than land your watch in his hands.
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Sure…but typically when they do that, they color it to make it matchy-matchy. As far as i have seen on the internet (aka SM101), the white lumed original radium watches were very early ones. Never seen one listed FS. But then i have not seen everything…so its just a hunch.
true! just chiming in that a positive for radium doesn’t necessarily mean its positively original. ive had some 2998 hands that were definite relumes with radium isotopes.
 
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No damage, just digitally "blurred" the serial number with a Voronoi filter.

Bezel does line up with the layout of the early 2998-3 bezels.
OP if you can give us something like 177621XX, it would be helpful placing it in time with other bezels.

A good clean photograph (ideally with a longer focal length) that is orthogonal with the bezel would be helpful to give best results on reporting on it.
Hi ZWD, thanks for the message. I will take more pictures, but Im reluctant to take the back off having read on the 101 website we shouldnt if we dont know what we're doing. Heres an image with the SN. you can see it matches what you've suggested. I had already checked it against 101's numbers. Can you explain what OP means? Thanks