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I dropped off my Speedy for service with a very experienced vintage watch enthusiast/dealer. This guy has been collecting since the 70s himself and has some amazing pieces, including an early Speedy, and has been trading and servicing watches for his customers for many, many years.

After opening up my 105.012-65, he says, "You know you're movement is from a later watch?"

"What do you mean?" I ask.

"You're movement--it doesn't match the case."

"I'm not following."

"The date of your case does not match the date of your movement."

At this point I am very confused, as 1) he has not seen my extract, so he has no idea when it was actually produced, and of course the case has no date on it. Then it dawns on me: "Do you mean the two-digit number after the main reference number on the caseback--i.e., the 65--does not match the date of the movement?"

"Exactly," he says.

"You do know that those two numbers do not indicate the year of production, right?"

"Yes, they do," he says, and proceeds to tell me about the "hundreds" of Speedies that have passed through his hands for servicing by customers. I ask if the hundreds of customers who have given him their watches to service also gave him the extracts for those watches. Um, no.

The conversation continued for quite a while and I think I convinced him to at least doubt his belief, but I was pretty shocked that someone so fluent in the vintage watch world could hold such an incorrect assumption so resolutely. He really was positive he was right!
 
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Sounds very annoying to get an unsolicited and ignorant opinion.
 
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Sapphire crystals are actual cut from flawless sapphires and only on the finest watches

Watches encrusted in aftermarket set diamond increase the value

The 666 Devil Diver was named that by Bulova

Rolex is the finest watch made in the world

Oh, and the earth is flat.
 
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Sounds very annoying to get an unsolicited and ignorant opinion.
Yes, very annoying! The conversation ended amicably, though. He’s not a bad guy. Just wrong! Lol
 
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What year exactly did he suggest your movement was from? I would guess your watch was produced in 1966 so from one POV he was right in that the movement number doesn't match the case year, but of course they rarely do, since the date of production often lags the iteration code, particularly on the 105.003-65 for instance, that was delivered up until 1969.
 
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Yes, very annoying! The conversation ended amicably, though. He’s not a bad guy. Just wrong! Lol

I've had a fair few number of conversations with watchmakers over details which I knew they were wrong about. I don't try to correct them as that would only make me seem even more like a stupid know-it-all collector with no actual knowledge of what makes the watches tick than I really am... Not surprised at all to hear that your watchmaker didn't know this particular obscure tidbit 😀

I am always fascinated to experience how skilled watchmakers are and I would much rather have that they spend their time getting good at their craft than researching serial numbers, lug facets and which old rotten cardboard box fits which Constellation.
 
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I've had a fair few number of conversations with watchmakers over details which I knew they were wrong about. I don't try to correct them as that would only make me seem even more like a stupid know-it-all collector with no actual knowledge of what makes the watches tick than I really am... Not surprised at all to hear that your watchmaker didn't know this particular obscure tidbit 😀

I am always fascinated to experience how skilled watchmakers are and I would much rather have that they spend their time getting good at their craft than researching serial numbers, lug facets and which old rotten cardboard box fits which Constellation.

Generally, few will take the time to learn details like these. I came here to learn these sorts of details from the people who know them best - the collectors. It helps me serve my customers better.
 
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What year exactly did he suggest your movement was from? I would guess your watch was produced in 1966 so from one POV he was right in that the movement number doesn't match the case year, but of course they rarely do, since the date of production often lags the iteration code, particularly on the 105.003-65 for instance, that was delivered up until 1969.

Correct: it's a 1966.

I don't expect anyone to know everything about all watches, but what was annoying was that he was so damn positive about his wrong-headed idea.