I Need Some Help With This Elgin Please.

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fun fact about elgin- the only US manufacturer that produced a free-sprung movement. also, and I've gotten into arguments about this, the only US manufacturer to produce automatic movements. some claim bulova did, but I haven't seen compelling evidence to support any idea other than they assembled automatic movements made by the swiss.
Bruce Shawkey wrote a good article about Bulova's "23" models for the NAWCC Bulletin in August 2010 (Bulletin #387). My recollection (and I could be wrong, just ask Mrs. Allwoundup) is that he claimed the self-winding 10BPAC movement used in the "23" models was designed and manufactured in house.
 
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interesting. well, to me and all of the 4 people who frequent this particular board who like US made watches. Bruce is, of course, an expert on whose words I would easily rely.
 
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interesting. well, to me and all of the 4 people who frequent this particular board who like US made watches. Bruce is, of course, an expert on whose words I would easily rely.

Also a great guy to buy a watch from. I've had good experiences with him in the past.

Tom
 
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" all of the 4 people who frequent this particular board who like US made watches"
I'm sure most who visit here have a guilty pleasure Bulova , Benrus, Hamilton or other USA made watch (even if with a non USA made movement) squirreled away some where.
Pocket Watches made in the USA seem to have a particularly staunch following.
 
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i recently picked up a first generation Piping Rock. It needed a service and I sent it off straight away, so I don't have any good pics of it, but...the quality was amazing. I've owned enough hamiltons to not have been surprised, but still, it is a genuinely gorgeous watch.
 
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Elgin produced 4 auto calibers: 607, 618, 760, 761. the first two were bumpers, the second two, full rotor.

they were entirely made in the US.

hamilton did not manufacture an auto. eventually, they imported swiss auto movements. interesting factoid- they seemed to have imported eternamatic movements before the ball bearing technology was made available to ETA. I have no hard figures for this, just observation.

but hamilton was placing their eggs in a substantially different basket during this time- the electrics.

As a Hamilton collector myself, that is a very interesting factoid. I know that Hamilton used ETA, Certina and of course the famous Buren micro rotor auto movements. At the time I'm sure they thought they were betting on the right horse, but focusing on electronics rather than modern, mechanical movements (like the Swiss were doing) probably hastened their demise. Their in-house manual wind movements, while extremely high quality, were quite old-fashioned by the 1950s.
 
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As a Hamilton collector myself, that is a very interesting factoid. I know that Hamilton used ETA, Certina and of course the famous Buren micro rotor auto movements. At the time I'm sure they thought they were betting on the right horse, but focusing on electronics rather than modern, mechanical movements (like the Swiss were doing) probably hastened their demise. Their in-house manual wind movements, while extremely high quality, were quite old-fashioned by the 1950s.

They also used Kurth Freres (Certina) movements in some of their self-wind models. The movement shown is marked Certina, but this movement was marked Hamilton 661 when they used it.

 
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They also used Kurth Freres (Certina) movements in some of their self-wind models. The movement shown is marked Certina, but this movement was marked Hamilton 661 when they used it.


That was what actually attracted me to my first (and so far only) Certina watch, because Hamilton chose them as the first importers for Swiss movements when they decided to come out with an economy line of watches using the Hamilton name in the 50s. I believe the manual calibers were used in the so called "Weatherproof" models.
 
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When I ran across my Midland the main reason I bid on it was because I'd bid on a very nice looking Hamilton in non running condition, both used the 2453 movement. I'd expected to get the Hamilton and use the Midland as a donor. Just as happy that I forgot to watch the Hamilton and got outbid, the Midland is a great watch and I was the only one who bid on it so I got it for a song. The 2453 seems to be a very well done movement, mine is 25 jewels self winding and very accurate for such an old watch.