I am having all sorts of issues with this Explorer II [16570]

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So I visited a local jeweler to have a bracelet sized on my new Oris. This jeweler has a decent stock of new and vintage watches. And honestly I am a bit sentimental about the place as it is where I bought my first Omega.

In the window the last couple of weeks they have Explorer II ref 16570, with a lovely patina on the lume. It is exactly what I am looking for in an old Polar dial. I asked them to give me a closer look as I had designs on the watch as soon as I could scramble the readies together. I took a quick snap so I could have a closer look at the dial at my leisure, and I have to say, I am horrified. I am relatively new to watches, and I know next to nothing about old Rolex. Am I right about what I see?

i). I see an ugly smudge surrounding the 4 o'clock lume plot (that shows up on my phone screen better than my computer).
ii). The patina on the lume does not match the hands.
iii). There is some bleeding stain coming from beneath the case and onto the dial at 11 to 12 o'clock.
iv). The lume plot at 10 o'clock does not match the color of the lume on the rest of the plots. That can't be normal, can it?
v). I am deeply, deeply suspicious about the lume marker at 7 o'clock. It is slightly off colour to the rest of the lume plots. I hate to ask, but the rest of the watch has me so nervous, that wouldn't be paint, would it?

Like I say I am sentimental about this vendor, so what think I see is distresses me. Am I over-reacting? If not, should I point out to them what I am seeing?

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It's a tool watch that has been used, it has its battle scars. I don't quite understand why you are upset over it. I think you are over reacting. If it doesn't pass muster with you just move on, you gain nothing by critiquing the watch to the store.
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It's a tool watch that has been used, it has its battle scars. I don't quite understand why you are upset over it. I think you are over reacting. If it doesn't pass muster with you just move on, yoh gain nothing by critiquing the watch to the store.

You may have a point. I didn't actually ask about these issues. He may well have told me up-front the watch has been through the wars a bit.

Still tho, this watch is not for me. I much prefer the scars be on the case and not the dial.
 
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I don't see anything to be particularly "horrified" about. They're not uncommon and some have have survived better than others, like any vintage tool watch. It's obviously not a great dial, so move on as Evitzee said. In my opinion, it would be strange for you to confront the vendor about the watch, considering you have no interest in buying it.
 
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I don't see anything to be particularly "horrified" about. They're not uncommon and some have have survived better than others, like any vintage tool watch. It's obviously not a great dial, so move on as Evitzee said. In my opinion, it would be strange for you to confront the vendor about the watch, considering you have no interest in buying it.

You might misunderstand. I was interested in it. Just not now.
 
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The more you look at white dialled Explorer IIs (particularly tritium ones), the more you'll come to recognise that this kind of wear and damage isn't all that uncommon.

Thankfully they made a lot of them, so you have lots of choice. 👍
 
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I must say I'm surprised at the forbearance. From my experience OF would be a lot less understanding of these inconsistencies in the dial of a 70's Connie for example.
 
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Dial has been damaged and touched up with paint and lume. That would definitely make it a no-go for me, since looking at that dial on my wrist would bother me too much. At the right price, it could be bought as a restoration project if you don't mind replacing the dial with a service dial.
 
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I must say I'm surprised at the forbearance. From my experience OF would be a lot less understanding of these inconsistencies in the dial of a 70's Connie for example.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges.

Bear in mind that this generation of Explorer II has been around, and unloved (until fairly recently) for quite a long time. Lots of them were produced - they're not rare. And when they could be had for £3k (or less) it was not uncommon to see them in rough mechanical and cosmetic condition.

Less and less touched up/battered to heck Explorer IIs seem to come up for sale - probably because it's now "worth" sending them to Rolex, and then being able to sell them in serviced/cosmetically improved condition.

All of this said - and despite price increases in the second hand market, the Explorer II still doesn't get the love/nerdery/obsessive treatment that other sports Rolex see. Which I can only see as a positive. They're cool watches, but not worshiped by the investment/"I've got a Rolex, look how big my willy is" crowd.

When it comes down to retouched Constellatons and the reactions they get... that has a lot to do with how much some members here like them.

To draw a parallel with cars:

Messing with a 1970s 911 Porsche is going to upset Porsche collectors.

Messing with an early 2000s Boxster is going to upset no one.
 
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To draw a parallel with cars:

Messing with a 1970s 911 Porsche is going to upset Porsche collectors.

Messing with an early 2000s Boxster is going to upset no one.

Beautifully put. Thank you.
 
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The hands may be service luminova ones which would explain the colour diff.. A service dial would match the hands and sort that a treat. If it’s at the right price, you could get that looking pretty good
 
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Your eyes dont deceive you, but they know what theyre selling.
 
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Dial has been damaged and touched up with paint and lume. That would definitely make it a no-go for me, since looking at that dial on my wrist would bother me too much. At the right price, it could be bought as a restoration project if you don't mind replacing the dial with a service dial.

Good point. Uneven patina on the lume would disturb me a lot. I am talking, in particular about 10 o'clock lume marker. It stands out compared to other markers and I would be very bored by this if I bought this watch. Good thing is that the watch is relatively common and you may have a better luck if you keep an eye on this forum or elsewhere. I do not mind scars on the dial on a tool watch, but I would prefer homogeneous wear without attempts to conceal it.
 
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You might misunderstand. I was interested in it. Just not now.

No, I understood. You listed 5 things that that horrified you about the watch ‐ I assumed that you were no longer interested in buying it and additionally you said this watch is not for me. You asked "should I point out to them what I am seeing?" That's what I responded to.
 
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I think that has a later bezel on it also. If I’ve got my ageing correct.

that should have the early flat digits.
 
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I think that has a later bezel on it also. If I’ve got my ageing correct.

that should have the early flat digits.
Agree, but i think thats the least of its problems

no matter how cheap, its a strong pass for me

cant see the point of getting a new dial and handset either - just makes this more of a munter, IMO. If you want Luminova, or SL, just buy the correct iteration of the 16570 - they are still plentiful
 
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Too many potentially unrelated issues on the dial for me, good call to pass.
 
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Uneven lume is very normal. Uneven hand wear is also normal. However, as with any vintage purchase, you really just have to ask all the questions and then also trust the person you're buying from. Strong pass from me as well. It has to be great condition for it to fetch top dollar.