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How many Red Schumacher are there?

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Hi fellows, I am trying to sell my red Speedy and ran into an interesting situation:

buyer is telling me this is the smaller version (aka Ladies’) of the watch. I did measure it at 39mm incl crown, which is comparatively small vis a vis my MK40, and certainly my Mark II and ploprof. That said, it is wearable and I can’t see it being a lady’s watch. Am I wrong here?

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These watches are 39MM and are not a “ladies” watch, although ladies are welcome to wear them.
 
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These watches are 39MM and are not a “ladies” watch, although ladies are welcome to wear them.

That’s what I thought.

some clownshoe suggested this was the “smaller version”.

Anyway, thank you for this
 
Canuck
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Yours is a Speedmaster reduced, and they are smaller than the Speedmaster Professional.
 
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Yours is a Speedmaster reduced, and they are smaller than the Speedmaster Professional.

got it, thanks. So, there’s an identical version of my “reduced”, but a few millimeters larger..

I typically see my 39mm version everywhere, and hardly ever see the term “reduced” next to it.
Anyway, I’m selling it, let’s see.
 
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I haven’t heard about a slightly larger diameter version of the Speedmaster reduced.
 
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These watches are 39MM and are not a “ladies” watch, although ladies are welcome to wear them.

That watch looks to be more like 35-36mm to me, based on the ruler. @Canuck, take another look. What do you think?

guinsburg guinsburg
got it, thanks. So, there’s an identical version of my “reduced”, but a few millimeters larger..

No, the professional is hand-winding. If you sell your watch saying that it's 39mm, when it's actually 35mm, that's fraudulent. Cases are measured NOT including the crown.

Edit: Ok, the OP photos don't show the case, and I am looking at the measurement of the bezel. Is the case much wider than the bezel?
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I wouldn’t try to judge diameter of the subject watch with such a crude attempt to measure, using a standard tape measure. My reduced is 39 mm diameter, as I suspect they all are.
 
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I wouldn’t try to judge diameter of the subject watch with such a crude attempt to measure, using a standard tape measure. My reduced is 39 mm diameter, as I suspect they all are.

It is crude. However, I know that 39mm is greater than 1.5", and even including the crown, that watch barely appears to be 1.5" wide. Hopefully the watch is legit.
 
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This is the Omega box. Let
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It is crude. However, I know that 39mm is greater than 1.5", and even including the crown, that watch barely appears to be 1.5" wide. Hopefully the watch is legit.

I’ve been buying and selling Omegas for a few years now. I am a compliance officer for a major bank, my job is to detect fraud. The question here has been answered.
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That’s all I had to measure nearby.

fraudulent?

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You are representing that you are selling a ref 3810.61, and at the same time you are saying that it is 39mm including the crown. That description is internally inconsistent. And then you glibly say "Anyway, I’m selling it, let’s see."

I wouldn't blame a potential buyer from being concerned. Based on that description, I would run away.

guinsburg guinsburg
’ve been buying and selling Omegas for a few years now. I am a compliance officer for a major bank, my job is to detect fraud. The question here has been answered.
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Interesting attempt to stifle further discussion with an appeal to authority. We have no idea who you are. If your job is truly to detect fraud, then you will understand that internal inconsistency is a major red flag. I'll leave it there.
 
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You are representing that you are selling a ref 3810.61, and at the same time you are saying that it is 39mm including the crown. That description is internally inconsistent. And then you glibly say "Anyway, I’m selling it, let’s see."

I wouldn't blame a potential buyer from being concerned. Based on that description, I would run away.
What the hell are you talking about?
What are you implying? I mean, anyway Imam selling it based ON OMEGA’s OFFICIAL DESCRIPTION, spanky
 
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What the hell are you talking about?
What are you implying? I mean, anyway Imam selling it based ON OMEGA’s OFFICIAL DESCRIPTION, spanky

And now we have the childish name-calling, which doesn't raise any red flags at all. 🙄

I have no idea who you are and what you're actually selling. Only that your description of the watch that you are supposedly selling doesn't match the official one. And I suspect I'm not the only person able to put that together.
 
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And now we have the childish name-calling, which doesn't raise any red flags at all. 🙄

I have no idea who you are and what you're actually selling. Only that your description of the watch that you are supposedly selling doesn't match the official one. And I suspect I'm not the only person able to put that together.
Some loser implying that my official Omega description is fraudulent.. Scram. Go cry to the mods.
Goodbye
 
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@guinsburg,

Turf the tape measure, get yourself a digital metric caliper, and measure the largest o/d of the case ONLY, not including the crown or pushers, and get back to us.
 
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The funny thing is that I totally believe that the watch is legit. The OP is just too arrogant (or stupid, or drunk) to realize when someone is trying to explain why "some clownshoe" might be suspicious based on his erroneous description and terrible photos.
 
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https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/speedmaster-reduced-size-3092962.html

Post #8 has a measurement for the reduced with the actual sizing. It's the dial layout on the Schumacher's that makes them look quite a bit smaller than they actually are, but having held both in hand they are the same size. If the buyer is not aware it's a reduced model it'll seem way too small. All Speedmaster cases are measured weirdly and are measured by outside case diameter not including the crown.
 
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I wouldn’t try to judge diameter of the subject watch with such a crude attempt to measure, using a standard tape measure. My reduced is 39 mm diameter, as I suspect they all are.

Spot on!

"Reduced" is reduced.

My question for the op, when you bought your Schumacher in the reduced case: what did you think?
 
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