Hodinkee/Crown & Caliber… bad customer service?

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I also use Hodinkee/Chubb. Have never had to make a claim. I think a lot of people here just add it to their homeowners policy.

Thanks for chiming in - a few yrs ago I tried adding my timepieces to my home-owners' insurance, but I think it ended up being more expensive and unnecessarily complex with plenty rigmarole paperwork,...I appreciated how easy and fast it was to first add them to w/ Chubb/Hodinkee, and just as simple to add/remove new watches as my inventory changes.

@Annapolis not a consolation or sage advise on how to get a resolve w/ Hodinkee, but have you checked out Chrono 24? I successfully bought several timepieces via this platform from Japanese and Canadian sellers...the import fees weren't terrible, and the shipping was certainly fast. Just another data point of course, but I always haggled on, and got the price lowered to combat import fees, so hopefully this avenue may prove more fruitful?
 
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Cheers, yeah I've used Chrono24 once... maybe twice. It's a bit more like eBay, since it's a platform for private sellers and dealers rather than a standalone reseller (like Hodinkee, WatchBox, etc), meaning you're sort of at the mercy of whatever random individual/business has the watch. But C24 does supply some security via escrow. The one experience I remember---a few years ago---wasn't great: bought a neovintage Glycine from Italy and when it arrived it was running incredibly fast---like gaining more than an hour a day---even after demagnetizing and ruling out that possibility. Probably an issue with the spring. Anyway, I'll spare you the details, but I had to negotiate an international return with a skeptical (but I think fundamentally honest) seller, and C24 wasn't very easy to work with.

Not saying I wouldn't use that platform again---I check it all the time---but, as with eBay, you have to keep both eyes open and understand the potential risks and hassles. You also have to learn to use filtered search so that you're only seeing watches that are actually in stock. If you don't do this, you'll get many results (sometimes a majority) that, if you look at the fine print, say "item needs to be procured" (lately expressed as "ships within 30 days," or the like). Meaning the seller has posted a bunch of pictures and written a convincing listing, but doesn't actually have the watch itself: you click buy, you send your money, and then you wait---potentially weeks or months---potentially until never never---while they try to "source" a similar watch for you. It's not technically a "scam," but it's VERY shady, and I wish C24 wouldn't allow that. So... be careful with that site!

Sometimes if I find a watch I like on C24 (that's clearly "in stock") I'll do a bit of sleuthing and find it listed elsewhere---if it's a dealer, on their own direct site---and will go that route instead.
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Two of my favorites are purchased from Dink. They answered all my questions via text and sent ton of photos. They even gift wrap the giant box, per wife’s request. This was before Forster exit.

 
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Cheers, yeah I've used Chrono24 once... maybe twice. It's a bit more like eBay, since it's a platform for private sellers and dealers rather than a standalone reseller (like Hodinkee, WatchBox, etc), meaning you're sort of at the mercy of whatever random individual/business has the watch. But C24 does supply some security via escrow. The one experience I remember---a few years ago---wasn't great: bought a neovintage Glycine from Italy and when it arrived it was running incredibly fast---like gaining more than an hour a day---even after demagnetizing and ruling out that possibility. Probably an issue with the spring. Anyway, I'll spare you the details, but I had to negotiate an international return with a skeptical (but I think fundamentally honest) seller, and C24 wasn't very easy to work with.

Not saying I wouldn't use that platform again---I check it all the time---but, as with eBay, you have to keep both eyes open and understand the potential risks and hassles. You also have to learn to use filtered search so that you're only seeing watches that are actually in stock. If you don't do this, you'll get many results (sometimes a majority) that, if you look at the fine print, say "item needs to be procured" (lately expressed as "ships within 30 days," or the like). Meaning the seller has posted a bunch of pictures and written a convincing listing, but doesn't actually have the watch itself: you click buy, you send your money, and then you wait---potentially weeks or months---potentially until never never---while they try to "source" a similar watch for you. It's not technically a "scam," but it's VERY shady, and I wish C24 wouldn't allow that. So... be careful with that site!

Sometimes if I find a watch I like on C24 (that's clearly "in stock") I'll do a bit of sleuthing and find it listed elsewhere---if it's a dealer, on their own direct site---and will go that route instead.

Yeah, I get it - it's a crapshoot using Chrono24 or eBay, so the old adage here applies: you buy the seller blah blah.

Another possible avenue for a vintage timepiece like your JLC interest could be European Watch Company - a couple of years back I had an extremely smooth transaction (purchase). A highly respected dealer, easy to deal with, communicative and fair pricing. I believe that they even take your requests if they don't have your timepiece in stock.

Just sharing my experiences and provide options since I, like all of us here, share your frustration with how currently Hodinkee is running their business.
 
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Two of my favorites are purchased from Dink. They answered all my questions via text and sent ton of photos. They even gift wrap the giant box, per wife’s request. This was before Forster exit.


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Actually just had this same issue while shopping at Crown & Caliber/Hodinkee this past month. Most of my questions were straight up ignored and they wouldn’t stop talking about their process and Hodinkee guarantee etc. I also asked for more pictures on another watch and they just refused that one.

I did always get a response the day after—although that’s not very helpful if they refuse to answer most the other questions I had.
 
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Yikes---it's hard to read.

I owe it to them to follow up here: after my third attempt to contact them, they did immediately write back, and it was clearly an actual human doing so. (So it could just be luck of timing with them right now.) They verified that the watch was in stock, but they refused to take a movement photo or confirm the lug-to-lug measurement. Even so, they offered me a 15% discount. I ended up passing on the watch and going with a vintage piece (from a private sale) instead. Since then, I note that they've lowered the watch's price on their site nearly (but not entirely) to what they offered me.

I am by no means a market expert or a prognosticator with any credibility at all. But I do check various preowned sites pretty much daily---sort of like glancing at the headlines---and there are certain pieces (usually Rolex) that I make a point of tracking, as I think they're decent indices of how things are trending. And things are trending down. Maybe not precipitously, but noticeably. It's feeling safe to say the hype-days are behind us, or at least getting to be so. My watches-to-watch are specifically not hype pieces (not, for example, Subs and GMTS and Daytonas), as I think those are too volatile and have too many collectability-variables for any dabbler to comprehend. But, for example, a c.2000 Explorer I that would have commanded close to $8k 18 months ago is now sitting (with several others just like it from the same era) unsold at $5300. And a yellow gold Day Date from the late 80s that would have been listed for $19k 18 months ago is now at $14k. Hodinkee might be the canary in the coal mine---I suspect a lot of would-have-been "investors" are about to take heavy losses if they go to sell, assuming they can even find buyers.
 
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I was never a big follower of Hodinkee but I'm not surprised that the C&C acquisition went haywire, selling at retail is a hard job. My only experience with C&C was ten years ago when I consigned a mid five figure Patek Philippe with them. It all went well and I got the price agreed upon in pretty short order, no problems. But I wouldn't use them today because of the issues of the acquisition.
 
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I guess Hodinkee buying C&C at what turned out to be the peak watch craze wasn't good for Hondinkee.
 
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Yikes---it's hard to read.

I owe it to them to follow up here: after my third attempt to contact them, they did immediately write back, and it was clearly an actual human doing so. (So it could just be luck of timing with them right now.) They verified that the watch was in stock, but they refused to take a movement photo or confirm the lug-to-lug measurement. Even so, they offered me a 15% discount. I ended up passing on the watch and going with a vintage piece (from a private sale) instead. Since then, I note that they've lowered the watch's price on their site nearly (but not entirely) to what they offered me.

I am by no means a market expert or a prognosticator with any credibility at all. But I do check various preowned sites pretty much daily---sort of like glancing at the headlines---and there are certain pieces (usually Rolex) that I make a point of tracking, as I think they're decent indices of how things are trending. And things are trending down. Maybe not precipitously, but noticeably. It's feeling safe to say the hype-days are behind us, or at least getting to be so. My watches-to-watch are specifically not hype pieces (not, for example, Subs and GMTS and Daytonas), as I think those are too volatile and have too many collectability-variables for any dabbler to comprehend. But, for example, a c.2000 Explorer I that would have commanded close to $8k 18 months ago is now sitting (with several others just like it from the same era) unsold at $5300. And a yellow gold Day Date from the late 80s that would have been listed for $19k 18 months ago is now at $14k. Hodinkee might be the canary in the coal mine---I suspect a lot of would-have-been "investors" are about to take heavy losses if they go to sell, assuming they can even find buyers.
So someone sent me the whole article from the WSJ and I was surprised to learn that their preowned watches are not owned and stocked by Hodinkee themselves but rather are on consignment. So this may explain some of the issues. I think they mentioned swisswatchexpo as a source and they just do the listing and take a fee on the sale. This is to save them from having to lay out their own money to stock watches and from paying staff to do their own fulfillment, I suppose