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Hey you 'muricans ... get those Swiss watches pronto [tariffs and international trade]
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorDon't forget former Vice President Mike Pence!
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pdxleaf
··So on and so on and scoobie doobie dooTime for some serious cat photos
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The Father
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Just joking................don't get any feathers ruffled.
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ErichPryde
·Do we have evidence that such demands are made in the current administration in a way that were not demanded in previous Democrat administrations, or are we posting assumptions for the consumption of the likeminded here?
You asked for links: interview at current time.
If you're not up on the MS13 tattoo story, feel free to do a bit of reading beyond this video but I suspect we're all aware of what this is referencing.
What do you believe?
Is the image clearly photoshopped?
Is there enough reasonable doubt to believe that the MS13 is photoshopped?
Do the knuckle tattoos clearly say MS13 as Trump asserts?
Let me know. Thank you.
EDIT: here is a better, more complete version of the interview and exactly what Trump said. video at current time. This one is much, much, more clear.
"Terry, Terry... no no...He had MS as clear as you can be, not interpreted. This is why people no longer believe, the news because it's fake news... Terry, he's got MS13 on his knuckles. It's such a disservice, why can't you just say yes, he does, and then go on to something else."
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Deafboy
··His Holiness Puer SurdusPost them
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesYour point? Remember that two wrongs don't make you right.
We'll start with this one.
gatorcpa
Aw man ... gatorcpa!!!
I was all set to mine the rich fields of corruption and cover-ups that may be found in both the Obama and Biden administrations and list them here and you King's X'ed me with "two wrongs don't make you right."
Now I am thwarted in efforts to do-si-do.
Or, is this a case of the "principles of shifting principles" and corruption and cover-up wrongs are acceptable as long as they keep certain party's hands firmly on the levers of power while denying all opposition, and particularly Orange Man Bad? Anything but that!
"Two wrongs don't make you right" works both ways.
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ErichPryde
·Aw man ... gatorcpa!!!
I was all set to mine the rich fields of corruption and cover-ups that may be found in both the Obama and Biden administrations and list them here and you King's X'ed me with "two wrongs don't make you right."
The problem is your question was not "is corruption involved in politics," your question was "does this administration demand more loyalty than previous administrations? The answer is yes, it does.
Regarding the corruption- what I've always found slightly amazing is that Trump has stated he was working against such corruption from this secret left, and yet if there was such corruption, how did he win not one, but two elections? That's a bit baffling. And although I'm glad he hasn't massively imprisoned his political opponents, we haven't seen these supposedly corrupt politicians he - and you- are talking about- charged with anything.
What we have seen is a massive re-framing of outreach programs like USAID and internal programs like our vaccine administration, flouride added to our water, and even the people who help support the National and State park systems, labelled as corruption.
This discussion about "corruption" essentially already happened. I'd be curious if you have actual examples of things that fit the definition of corruption though, instead of reframed things called that, that don't.
But- I want to see the answer to my question first. Please.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorI was all set to mine the rich fields of corruption and cover-ups that may be found in both the Obama and Biden administrations…
Again, what’s your point?
My point is that the US electorate has twice elected a person who in my opinion does not have the best interests of this country at heart.
As I have said at least twice before, some of his ideas are good, but he has neither the knowledge nor temperament to make them happen. When he doesn’t get what he wants, he uses fear as a tactic. Fear works in the short-term, but eventually Congress, Judiciary and other governments will figure out his weaknesses and will exploit them.
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The Father
·Trump fired FBI director James B. Comey because the latter wouldn't give in to a pledge of loyalty.
Comey was leading the FBI that had the Hurrican Crossfire program to get Trump.
Wasn't about loyalty, about FBI being used to stifle Dementia Joes opponent. I would say President Biden, but we all know by he wasn't actually running things.
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The Father
·Corruption and cover-ups may be found in every single administration going back to George Washington.
Again, what’s your point?
My point is that the US electorate has twice elected a person who in my opinion does not have the best interests of this country at heart.
As I have said at least twice before, some of his ideas are good, but he has neither the knowledge nor temperament to make them happen. When he doesn’t get what he wants, he uses fear as a tactic. Fear works in the short-term, but eventually Congress, Judiciary and other governments will figure out his weaknesses and will exploit them.
gatorcpa
What did Trump have to gain from running for President. Trump found out that politics is nasty dirty business far greater than anyone ever imagined.
Does not have best interests of country at heart? What world did you guys live in the last 4 years.
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sxl2004
·Isn’t our current president a felon?
Very trustworthy indeed.
Very trustworthy indeed.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerWhat did Trump have to gain from running for President.
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesI disagree gatorcpa.
An administration, political party, and compliant media willing to conspire to conceal both administration's (and presidential son's) corruption as well as the Head of State's declining mental health, then when that quit working well and the narrative fell apart, does an irregular mid-summer election year bait-and-switch on the nation in order to run a replacement candidate under the nose of the voters, cannot be said to have this country's best interests at heart. They only have their own interests at heart, loyalty be hanged!
Or, were their intentions always so unfailingly lily white that no one here has any problem with that?
"Again, what’s your point?"
I did not start that particular thread drift. I did reply to it though.
"Whenever a leader demands personal loyalty over their own conscience, that makes me nervous."
"If by "such demands" you're referring to @gatorcpa's point about loyalty over conscience: yes. Lots of examples."
So, it is ok to pile on with supporting thread drift attacks only if Forum thread participant demonstrates the "proper" point of view?
This is a new phase Omega Forums.
An administration, political party, and compliant media willing to conspire to conceal both administration's (and presidential son's) corruption as well as the Head of State's declining mental health, then when that quit working well and the narrative fell apart, does an irregular mid-summer election year bait-and-switch on the nation in order to run a replacement candidate under the nose of the voters, cannot be said to have this country's best interests at heart. They only have their own interests at heart, loyalty be hanged!
Or, were their intentions always so unfailingly lily white that no one here has any problem with that?
"Again, what’s your point?"
I did not start that particular thread drift. I did reply to it though.
"Whenever a leader demands personal loyalty over their own conscience, that makes me nervous."
"If by "such demands" you're referring to @gatorcpa's point about loyalty over conscience: yes. Lots of examples."
So, it is ok to pile on with supporting thread drift attacks only if Forum thread participant demonstrates the "proper" point of view?
This is a new phase Omega Forums.
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The Father
·The problem is your question was not "is corruption involved in politics," your question was "does this administration demand more loyalty than previous administrations? The answer is yes, it does.
Regarding the corruption- what I've always found slightly amazing is that Trump has stated he was working against such corruption from this secret left, and yet if there was such corruption, how did he win not one, but two elections? That's a bit baffling. And although I'm glad he hasn't massively imprisoned his political opponents, we haven't seen these supposedly corrupt politicians he - and you- are talking about- charged with anything.
What we have seen is a massive re-framing of outreach programs like USAID and internal programs like our vaccine administration, flouride added to our water, and even the people who help support the National and State park systems, labelled as corruption.
This discussion about "corruption" essentially already happened. I'd be curious if you have actual examples of things that fit the definition of corruption though, instead of reframed things called that, that don't.
But- I want to see the answer to my question first. Please.
This answers your loyalty question too.
Now government agencies, we know they piss away Americans dollars like there is no tomorrow. That is the corruption problem.
I still don't know what world some of you live in.
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The Father
·Power, adulation/attention, and money.
Only US President to have his personal wealth decrease.
Attention? Every President loves it. You are the top dog in world.
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