Hesalite is so soft

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What you're missing is scratches can be buffed out easily, while with sapphire, you can do nothing with scratches at all.

You can polish scratches out of sapphire crystals using diamond paste, but it's VERY time consuming...most times it's more economical to replace the crystal than spend the labour to polish.

Cheers, Al
 
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The plexi does look great when not scratched. But I do love the durability of sapphire crystals.

The sapphire ring--not sure how much it would bother me. Not as beautiful as the edge-to-edge clarity of plexi, but doesn't obscure the beauty of the chrono complications at all.

For me, another factor is that the movement behind the sapphire sandwich is just gorgeous.
 
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As a hobby I can see why people might enjoy polishing their plastic crystals as some sort of special bond with the timepiece. Does it look warmer? Maybe but I value a clear look to better appreciate the dial. Does it sound good? No, it sounds terrible. Is it durable? Clearly not. Can it go to the fu***** moon without cracking under the pressure? Maybe 馃榾.


However, being a watch enthusiast and a fan of noble materials, tradition and craftsmanship, the way I see hesalite is it鈥檚 a cheap plastic that doesn鈥檛 belong on a luxury watch IMHO. Sure, old watches used to come with plastic crystals for lack of a better solution at the time, but if plastic crystal was truly a valuable feature, wouldn鈥檛 top manufacturers still use it today in their classical range? Even modern pocket watches come with sapphire these days.


... The flat and cold-looking sapphire crystal with its characteristic white ring appeals less to me.

You can have domed sapphire crystal.


What you're missing is scratches can be buffed out easily, while with sapphire, you can do nothing with scratches at all.

I鈥檝e yet to come across a scratched sapphire crystal.


Also, on some Speedmasters with sapphire, the crystal's edge sticks out like a sore thumb blocking partly the view of the dial.

Agreed, not a fan of crystal edge sticking out either but this is not very common.
 
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As a hobby I can see why people might enjoy polishing their plastic crystals as some sort of special bond with the timepiece. Does it look warmer? Maybe but I value a clear look to better appreciate the dial. Does it sound good? No, it sounds terrible. Is it durable? Clearly not. Can it go to the fu***** moon without cracking under the pressure? Maybe 馃榾.


However, being a watch enthusiast and a fan of noble materials, tradition and craftsmanship, the way I see hesalite is it鈥檚 a cheap plastic that doesn鈥檛 belong on a luxury watch IMHO. Sure, old watches used to come with plastic crystals for lack of a better solution at the time, but if plastic crystal was truly a valuable feature, wouldn鈥檛 top and still use it today in their classical range? Even modern pocket watches come with sapphire these days.
This is luxury modern noble materials snobbery. There are lots of high priced, highly desirable vintage watches that have not a shred of noble material in them.

The moonwatch is a classic watch that is one of very few, if not the only one, that still has the plastic crystal. They have introduced sapphire to it without changing much of the principal design, but those models all have that predominant sore edge.
 
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This is luxury modern noble materials snobbery. There are lots of high priced, highly desirable vintage watches that have not a shred of noble material in them.

The moonwatch is a classic watch that is one of very few, if not the only one, that still has the plastic crystal. They have introduced sapphire to it without changing much of the principal design, but those models all have that predominant sore edge.

The amazing thing about all this love for the "Moonwatch" and its hesalite crystal is a least two of these crystals popped off and the watches quit on the lunar missions. It amuses me that so many would embrace a part that failed when it was needed most. In some applications, like the Rolex subs and sea-dwellers, the acrylic crystals worked well for years; actually compressing a bit at depth and increasing the strength of the seal. But in a situation with extreme variation of temperature in low or no gravity, the plastic didn't really work so well. The bad part about sapphire in space is if it gets hit hard enough it will shatter, and leave thousands of pieces floating around an a spacecraft and causing trouble. Nowadays I would figure there's a plastic alternative that would work, but honestly, how many people need a watch that works in a vacuum? So many have romanticized the concept of leaving the earth's atmosphere to wander around in a lifeless void. Other than the view of earth from above, I would think being stuck in a tin can for months so you can walk around on a desert with no air (I mean mars of course) would be a definition of hell. But that's me. With the exception of diving and snorkeling, I like a bit of atmosphere.
 
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Well, I'm convinced! Think I'll head over to the for sale section and sell my speedy.
 
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The amazing thing about all this love for the "Moonwatch" and its hesalite crystal is a least two of these crystals popped off and the watches quit on the lunar missions. It amuses me that so many would embrace a part that failed when it was needed most. In some applications, like the Rolex subs and sea-dwellers, the acrylic crystals worked well for years; actually compressing a bit at depth and increasing the strength of the seal. But in a situation with extreme variation of temperature in low or no gravity, the plastic didn't really work so well. The bad part about sapphire in space is if it gets hit hard enough it will shatter, and leave thousands of pieces floating around an a spacecraft and causing trouble. Nowadays I would figure there's a plastic alternative that would work, but honestly, how many people need a watch that works in a vacuum? So many have romanticized the concept of leaving the earth's atmosphere to wander around in a lifeless void. Other than the view of earth from above, I would think being stuck in a tin can for months so you can walk around on a desert with no air (I mean mars of course) would be a definition of hell. But that's me. With the exception of diving and snorkeling, I like a bit of atmosphere.
I don't know when was the other time that the moonwatch's crystal popped off, but for the one assigned to David Scott, one could say that there's no verification or corroboration on record that his Speedy actually failed. Remember that the Speedmaster is the only watch that has passed multiple NASA tests while many other watches just failed. These tests did include extreme temperatures.

You also conflated embracing a watch with embracing just a plastic crystal. Which watch to embrace is mostly a personal taste. Apparently, people embrace some watches worn by racing drivers more than a NASA tested watch worn by astronauts. That's actually a good thing IMO.
 
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I don't know when was the other time that the moonwatch's crystal popped off, but for the one assigned to David Scott, one could say that there's no verification or corroboration on record that his Speedy actually failed. Remember that the Speedmaster is the only watch that has passed multiple NASA tests while many other watches just failed. These tests did include extreme temperatures.

There was only one other documented event of a crystal popping off during an EVA on the Moon and it was with Charlie Duke's watch on his final EVA on Apollo 16.

That said, only two failures on the Moon's surface during 28 total EVA's is pretty darn good considering the environment.
 
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I don't know when was the other time that the moonwatch's crystal popped off, but for the one assigned to David Scott, one could say that there's no verification or corroboration on record that his Speedy actually failed. Remember that the Speedmaster is the only watch that has passed multiple NASA tests while many other watches just failed. These tests did include extreme temperatures.

You also conflated embracing a watch with embracing just a plastic crystal. Which watch to embrace is mostly a personal taste. Apparently, people embrace some watches worn by racing drivers more than a NASA tested watch worn by astronauts. That's actually a good thing IMO.

Charlie Duke's watch failure is in his Apollo 16 debriefing. There's plenty of corroboration on record of this failure, and whether or not Scott's watch quit is irrelevant as it was unusable and he had to use a personal backup. This means it failed. And these are the ones we know about, for when it comes to the history of the Speedmaster there is a lot of art involved. But who cares, right? I'm sure there will be plenty more special edition Moon Watches to come, with and without a hesalite crystal. I just think Omega overdoes the "legendary status" of the Speedmaster, especially since even Buzz Aldrin was very critical of the designs of the watch back in the day (although he'd love to have the one he wore on the moon back, which as I understand it is still missing). And other watches went into space and on the moon, and did just fine. Like with all the Bond watches, I wish Omega would tone down the marketing a bit.
 
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Does it sound good? No, it sounds terrible. Is it durable? Clearly not. Can it go to the fu***** moon without cracking under the pressure? Maybe 馃榾.

Just when I thought I had heard every criteria possible for a watch attribute, now the sound of the crystal is considered an important factor? Is it talking to you in a Fran Drescher whiny voice or something? 馃槈

Sure, old watches used to come with plastic crystals for lack of a better solution at the time, but if plastic crystal was truly a valuable feature, wouldn鈥檛 top manufacturers still use it today in their classical range?

There are a number of manufacturers who use acrylic crystals. Omega is just one of them. Panerai also use it, as does Sinn...if you look around you will see they are out there. It's far from just being the Speedy Pro that has an acrylic crystal.

You can have domed sapphire crystal.

Yes, certainly. Domed sapphires are not quite as common, but they do certainly exist. I had one on my Sinn 356 that another member here now owns. If you damage one though, note that it's about 20X the cost of a new acrylic crystal in the case of the Speedmaster.

I鈥檝e yet to come across a scratched sapphire crystal.

I see them all the time - it's not nearly as rare as people believe it is. In fact my own PAM 104 has a pretty good gouge in the sapphire crystal that I have not yet taken the time to fully polish out. But I do see them regularly on watches that come into the shop. Here is just one example...



But the idea that acrylic can't be a long lasting material is false. Yes they can get pretty beat up on vintage watches, and some have clearly been on the watches for many decades...



But with a little work...





They can look brand new again...



Now do I care what you (or anyone else) considers to be the "better" material? Sorry, but no. Just buy and wear what you like. I own watches with both sapphire and acrylic crystals. I don't let the material of the crystal decide if I am buying a watch.

Cheers, Al