I have a friend selling a vintage Speedmaster 321. He says its a 105.003-65 Ed White. I'm new to this site and fairly new to collecting. I recently picked up a nice vintage Seamaster which has got me looking for a Speedmaster. This watch has been serviced and works well. I have some pictures that have included. I do not have a picture of the inside case back to confirm the ref number, but he contends it's the 105.003-65. The first thing I see is the bezel is not the DO90, it's the DN90. It's in ok shape, but not the the original for that ref. To me the dial looks correct, the hands are ok and it has a nice patina. The case looks correct too. That said, the other big issue I see is that the movement, albeit it is a 321 movement, the serial number is a 2732.xxxxx. This should be in a 145.012 with a presidential dial. I have seen discussions how Omega would swap out parts if they serviced back then, or other people would swap parts out too. I have also seen reference to those SN in that range could have been used for spare parts (MWO).

I guess the bottom line is if this watch is $8k to $9k USD would this be overpaying? Would it hold it's value? How would you suggest I proceed? There is an Omega AD in town. I could take it to them to look it over. I could try to get an extract, but I still don't know if that tells me the value.

Thoughts?

Thank you in advance.

 

How are you determining it should have had a different presidential dial in regards to the serial number?

Serial number resolves to an 861 movement in a 69 145.022-69 at the earliest.

Without seeing the extract with that serial there is no way to value it.

I call value as parts minus 2k for the wrong bezel.

7k max and even then I’d avoid it. If the extract came back as a service movement.. 9k would be a fair price. You have to subtract 2k for the incorrect bezel.

 

It think the movement is legit. Question is if it belongs on a Ed White or with a PROFESSIONAL dial

https://omegaforums.net/threads/spe...uite-what-i-expected.76187/page-2#post-966347

Edit: As the 105.003-65 was produced until 1969, could be a late example. Certainly need an extract.

 

Well it being in a straight lug is surprising and as I noted that does appear wrong, hence an extract would be needed to confirm a service movement. I’m just not sure a 27,320,000 should be a 321. Either way the movement should not be in a straight lug unless it’s confirmed as a service movement.

 

Unless the seller is selling it for the parts value, I don't think I'd even mess around with this one without an Extract.

 

Yes!

It’s not even a close call.

And a 27m serial number seems well beyond any 321 movement I’ve seen. Makes me even more suspicious.

(Of course, if it turn out to be one of the last hundred Ed Whites put together by Omega in ‘69, I could be wrong about its value. )

Calling @Spacefruit ...

 

I think it’s from a batch of outlier 321 movements. Perhaps @Dash1 can shed some light.

 

Oh yeah?

 

Yeah

 

Damn. I know I should keep the MWO next to me when I’m on this forum. Thanks @gemini4 !

 

Movement number may be ok but the bezel and chrono hand are certainly not.

EDIT: 26,554,XXX is the highest EW serial MWO or SP101 say is OK therefore I think this is a Franken.

 

Umm you quoted Pro serials, this is an Ed White.

 

Generally, even a 26m serial in a straight lug would raise flags. 27m to me is a no go unless for parts.

 

As both the 145.012-68 and the 105.003-65 were produced in 1969, it is possible that this “rare” 321, which currently sits in a 105.003-65, actually belongs in a 105.003-65.

I hope someone orders an extract.

 

Well you posted a picture of the MWO page for the 67/68 Pro earlier, care to do so for the Ed White, since, while it accepts that a few Ed Whites were delivered in '69 It says nothing about 27m models. Those 69s were probably left on the shelf.

 

I'll order one of OP is willing to share the full movement number, just for the curiosity.

 

What if this is so late, i.e. late 1969, that the DNN was already what was being used on 145.022-69s, and it came this way from the factory.

I seriously doubt it, but as long as we are speculating.

Better than an original Ultraman!

 

I don't see a lot of bevel on those lugs, could it in fact be a -64...

 

No need. Just order the entire 1000 movement 27320xxx range for a 321 caliber and a 105.003 case.
All you need is one hit

 

I’d rather buy ten Ed Whites with that money.