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  1. Optimizer13 Jun 22, 2015

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    Hi everyone,

    I was offered this 105.003 but the calibre has an incorrect reference --- I checked speedmaster101 but I couldn't find where it belongs to. Does anybody have an idea? Also, is this crown original? How does the replacement crown vs. original differ?

    One of you experts please enlighten me!

    Cheers!

    IMG_9401.JPG IMG_9402.JPG IMG_9404.JPG IMG_9405.JPG IMG_9408.JPG IMG_9409.JPG IMG_9411.JPG
     
  2. 736007 Jun 22, 2015

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    I cant help you with the Facts, but this is an really good looking Example for a 105003.
     
  3. Hijak Jun 22, 2015

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    Agreed, that is one good looking Speedmaster!:thumbsup:
     
  4. Wongo Jun 22, 2015

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    Very decent condition.
     
  5. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 22, 2015

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    Movement is definitely from a far earlier watch, serial is many millions too early for any 105.003 much less a -65
     
  6. Optimizer13 Jun 22, 2015

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    Yes I like the overall condition (dial looks nice, strong lugs, etc.) but due to the incorrect calibre reference I'm worried ... :S and the calibre is a very important component (although based on the serial its from an earlier model).
     
  7. speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Jun 23, 2015

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    S/n in the range of 105.002
     
  8. Optimizer13 Jun 23, 2015

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    I see, thank you sir.
     
  9. Optimizer13 Jun 23, 2015

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    Is it possible that Omega used leftovers of caliber 321 for this 105.003 (so basically its original from the Omega factory)? Or is that just impossible?
     
  10. Northernman Lemaniac Jun 23, 2015

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    Only an extract from the archives will tell.
     
  11. speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Jun 23, 2015

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    No it will not tell. 19.5 million is too early for extract delivery
     
  12. Northernman Lemaniac Jun 23, 2015

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    I stand corrected! :)
     
  13. Optimizer13 Jun 23, 2015

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    Hmm interesting... based on the pictures above, do you think the caliber was replaced or the dial/caseback etc. was replaced? If so, someone did a very good job of frankensteining...
     
  14. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 23, 2015

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    Early 105.002 too with alpha hands based on your publication, so I'm guessing that movement's original home was something like a 105.001 Seamaster with a bad dial.
     
  15. Northernman Lemaniac Jun 23, 2015

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    Is the bridge engravings looking kosher? On my 105.003 movement they are much cleaner in the appearance.
    Need to get home and check the MWO book to make sure...
    They look blured on this watch movement!

    From a 17xxxxxx 2998-2:
    2998-2.jpg

    From my (later) 105.003 321:
    105003-321.jpg


    And from the OP:
    Bad.jpg

    Too me this just does not look correct??
     
  16. incabloc Jun 23, 2015

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    there are anyway some parts of the movement missing.
     
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  17. Davidt Jun 23, 2015

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    The most obvious answer is usually the correct one and in this case, I'd say it's highly likely the movement has simply been transplanted from another watch, either an earlier Speedmaster, or more likely a Seamaster.

    This may simply have been done years ago when a watchmaker had several 321's in for a service as it's been suggested that it was simply a case of 'any movement will do' when putting watches backtogether.

    The other possibility is that it's had a relatively recent movement switch due to problems with the original one.

    If you can't get a extract, you can't tell for sure, other than to say that all the other parts look in reasonable condition and are correct for a 105.003 (except the service crown).
     
  18. photo500 Jun 26, 2015

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    Probably an intentional movement swap / replacement or the watch was built from parts. (Very common) A movement from a Seamaster will not just go into a Speedmaster case without changing the push pieces on the movement for longer ones as used in Speedies. If the watchmaker was that lazy, they'd just put one in that fit so if anything it would only happen between Speedmaster's.