Help us find out the history of Omega watches

Hello!
My grandfather left me an Omega watch that he bought in Europe in the 40s of the last century. Now I have this watch and I am interested to know its history. But I could not find any analogs of this watch either in appearance or in mechanism, and even there are doubts whether the watch is a fake.


But the mechanism is similar to the caliber 1158, 1187, 1190, 1213 A. Schild. (I don't have enough knowledge to distinguish them). I found out that such mechanisms called "ebauche from Schild" were supplied to other brands, and found photos of Rolex Tudor and Brevet Henco watches on European antique dealers ' websites and forums.

But I couldn't find information about the Omega watch series like mine. I would like to know the history of this watch, as it is part of my grandfather's history.I hope for the help of forum experts.

might be a bit harsh to call fake... it might be a case of creative repair, to keep it working with what was at hand, and no intend to deceive.

i'm sure they have stories to tell.

Can't see one single component from omega......case lugs never from omega. Outside engraved back = no. Movement = no. Dial ? Maybe repainted and dial feet cut? Looks like a creative, a lot of time on their hands creation from the Ukraine. Omega carried a lot of prestige in the UdSSR. Kind regards. Achim

Creative repair. I like that phrase. It reminds me of some of my work around the house 😉

Thank you for your answers!

I took information about Tudor watches from this site, which also describes the history of this watch with the AS1187 movement and mentions the thirty-year collaboration between A. Schild and Rolex:
http://www.vintage-watches-collection.com/watch/rolex-watch/rolex-tudor-with-honeycomb-dial-1949/

According to the history of my grandfather, I can say that he has never been to Ukraine. My grandfather served in the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR, at the beginning of WW2 he was a legal employee of the naval attache at the Soviet Embassy in Italy. At the beginning of the war between Germany and the USSR, my grandfather was in Europe and Tunisia. At the end of WW2, my grandfather was part of a group of officers accompanying General Susloparov, the Soviet representative at the signing of the German surrender in Reims.

After the service, my grandfather had two watches, a 1941 Rolex Brevet Oyster, which is checked for markings, and an Omega, which is in front of you. If you believe the number on the cover, then Omega - 1944, which coincides with the chronology of events in the life of my grandfather.
This raises the question of the number on the Omega cover: if this is a fake, why show it so clearly? Perhaps, since the AS caliber was produced without a number - the number was put on the cover by the manufacturer?

An interesting point: one of these watches, a Rolex or Omega, was present with my grandfather in Reims and "saw" Eisenhower, Montgomery and Jodl. Perhaps it was Omega, since it is not quite correct for a Junior officer to wear a Rolex under big bosses.

I fully admit that my copy of Omega may be a fake, but there are simple questions, why immediately issue a fake number on the cover? And why insert a Swiss AS mechanism into a fake, if you can find a cheaper option for a fake? The inscription "swiss" on the mechanism can be applied in the same way as "Omega".
There is also such a factor as WW2, and related problems. It can be assumed that under these conditions, Omega could cooperate with AS for a small series of watches. And, for example, due to the absence of a number on the AS mechanism, put the number on the cover. In 1940, Omega became the main supplier of watches to the British army, and allowed itself to deviate from previously accepted standards.

In the process of searching for information, I got the impression that the British branch of Omega had a lot of independence in the 20-40 years of the last century, and departed from the General standards of Omega. I will write the next post about this.

Maks , good luck with your research about your family heirloom. You did ask about an omega watch and the pictures show, that it is not an Omega. Never was. Never will be. No matter how much you research. AS mvmt. were never used by Omega . They are a manufacture, meaning they make their own movements. They bought other movement companies, but never AS. So , here it ends. And Omega in the 40's did not depart from Omega's general standards. Everything was done in Switzerland and only shipped to the Omega agent of the time. So, research about that will not be credible. Whatever your watch is, cherish it for the family history.
Your grandfather had an astonishing life. Surprising, that he survived Stalin's paranoia. My father might have met your grandfather, who knows.... He was one of the medical doctors for General Fieldmarshal Rommel in Africa . Kind regards. Achim

Achim, thank you for your response!

Maybe they met... Sometimes fate has amazing coincidences. Unfortunately, I am not able to accurately investigate the history of my grandfather: for army officers, you can now get all the available information in the military archive, but for intelligence information is secret.

About the British representation and standards, I wanted to say about the order of gold cases for Omega in the 20s from the London company Dennison, after the ban in 1916 from the British government on the import of gold products. And also about ordering "civilian" cases after the war for unused Omega army watches. And about marking "A. M. "and" W. W. W. " according to the British military standard.

Version of Britain have arisen in connection with the London clock company "Accurist" mechanism 15j AS 1190, in which I saw some overlap in the elements of the dial, and made the erroneous assumption that as a result of necessary hours for the army of Britain and obstacles of a naval blockade, perhaps some time there was cooperation.


But today I found a watch from the 40s with a similar dial, this is a "DOXA" watch.



In total, we get in my watch: A. Schild movement, DOXA dial, unknown hands and case.
(However, I do not understand: selling watches like Omega, having the cost of Swiss movement and dial, case selection, hands and work - is this a profitable business?)
there is Still a question: my watch is 10.5", and DOXA is 11.5". Is it possible to choose such a case to combine the watch with the mechanism?
And one more question, what is the difference between the "OMEGA" and "OMEGA WATCH Co" labels?

I'm not a Tudor expert, I'm just quoting the information I found. Here are more links, but I do not know if they will be authoritative?
https://www.blackbough.co.uk/product/tudor-rolex-vintage-gold-wristwatch-hallmarked-1956-wwtrgmw/
https://watchguy.co.uk/service-tudor-as1187/
https://www.poshtime.com/497.036/Tudor-Rolex-17J-c.1940s.php

yes, you are correct, those are straight up fraud. i meant more along the lines of a watchmaker in a post war country that was hard up for parts cobbling together what he had to keep a watch running... ala 50's cars in cuba.

Thank you all, your criticism helped me find the answer.