Help me rate this Constelation Pie Pan

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So, in summary;

The dial seems original but could do with a picture where the hands aren’t obscuring the text.

A ‘Swiss Made T’ dial is fine for this dial with lume on both the dial and hands.

Still not a great example and certainly not at 1.9k.

Don’t use AI to help with the details of vintage watches.
 
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So, in summary;

The dial seems original but could do with a picture where the hands aren’t obscuring the text.

A ‘Swiss Made T’ dial is fine for this dial with lume on both the dial and hands.

Still not a great example and certainly not at 1.9k.

Don’t use AI to help with the details of vintage watches.
Thanks David, what sources or tools would you recommend to evaluate these purchases?
 
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Where to get trustworthy information on a vintage Omega?? Gotta think on that one.....

Hmmmm, just spitballin' here....but maybe a bunch of Omega collectors and severely OCD enthusiasts came together on the WWW and started an open access site for vetted information and as a bonus, one could ask questions to said OCD enthusiasts.......
 
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Thanks David, what sources or tools would you recommend to evaluate these purchases?

You’re using it now.
 
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Lol, well greatly appreciated. Wont go through with the purchase. Thanks to all !
 
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Because the 'research' he did was just running the image through an LLM, and the model didn't pick up on these details.

The tells in his response that he used AI, are: the random bolded words, the bullet pointed answer, and the use of 'em' dashes... all major red flags that something was created using ML
There's no current model that can assess a watch like this—it's just not possible with current tech.
 
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There's no current model that can assess a watch like this—it's just not possible with current tech.

Most current models can definitely assess a watch using supplied images… whether they can assess a watch 'well' is another question all together.

I just took a photo of the watch I'm currently wearing and pushed it through Gemini. This is its response... not great, but also not incredibly bad given I only supplied it with one photo.

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Based solely on the provided image, the Omega Speedmaster MKII appears to be in good to very good visual condition for a vintage watch.

* The case seems to retain its original finishes well.
* The dial and hands appear clean and original, with desirable patination.
* The crystal, while likely having some minor wear, doesn't show significant damage.
* The overall presentation suggests a well-cared-for example that has aged gracefully.
What the picture cannot tell us (and why a full assessment requires more):
* Movement Condition: We cannot assess the mechanical integrity, accuracy, power reserve, or service history of the movement. This is crucial for true "quality."
* Water Resistance: Impossible to tell from a photo.
* Exact Originality: While components appear correct, only a hands-on inspection by an expert can confirm every part is original to this specific watch and not a replacement.
* Bracelet Stretch/Clasp Condition: Cannot be fully determined.
* Micro-scratches/Hairlines: These are not visible in this resolution.

Conclusion based on the picture: The watch presents very well aesthetically for its age, suggesting it has been reasonably well-preserved and possibly well-maintained. Its visual condition points to a watch of good physical quality.

 
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Most current models can definitely assess a watch using supplied images… whether they can assess a watch 'well' is another question all together.

I just took a photo of the watch I'm currently wearing and pushed it through Gemini. This is its response... not great, but also not incredibly bad given I only supplied it with one photo.

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Based solely on the provided image, the Omega Speedmaster MKII appears to be in good to very good visual condition for a vintage watch.

* The case seems to retain its original finishes well.
* The dial and hands appear clean and original, with desirable patination.
* The crystal, while likely having some minor wear, doesn't show significant damage.
* The overall presentation suggests a well-cared-for example that has aged gracefully.
What the picture cannot tell us (and why a full assessment requires more):
* Movement Condition: We cannot assess the mechanical integrity, accuracy, power reserve, or service history of the movement. This is crucial for true "quality."
* Water Resistance: Impossible to tell from a photo.
* Exact Originality: While components appear correct, only a hands-on inspection by an expert can confirm every part is original to this specific watch and not a replacement.
* Bracelet Stretch/Clasp Condition: Cannot be fully determined.
* Micro-scratches/Hairlines: These are not visible in this resolution.

Conclusion based on the picture: The watch presents very well aesthetically for its age, suggesting it has been reasonably well-preserved and possibly well-maintained. Its visual condition points to a watch of good physical quality.

Yeah, that's a big block of text it output while saying very little. It's pretty much generating plausible filler based on what little input it could figure out.
 
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Yeah, that's a big block of text it output while saying very little. It's pretty much generating plausible filler based on what little input it could figure out.

Very similar to what most humans do.
 
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Here's what happens when you ask 4o about a "Speedmaster" which is a Moonswatch with the name removed and sloppy rubber stamp artefacts left behind.

And for fakes, it will give similar answers regardless of how convincing they appear. Not very useful, but people still ask it about Ebay watches.

I haven't tested Gemini in the same way.
 
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Here's what happens when you ask 4o about a "Speedmaster" which is a Moonswatch with the name removed and sloppy rubber stamp artefacts left behind.

And for fakes, it will give similar answers regardless of how convincing they appear. Not very useful, but people still ask it about Ebay watches.

I haven't tested Gemini in the same way.
Interesting. AI reviews seem similar to the advice to buy the seller. It's not what is being said that is the most important, it's who is saying it.

Remember the past discussions about coming up with a grading system? Lots of effort was made trying to break down a watch into significant features or data points, along with what ultimately makes a vintage watch better than another. Most people concluded it wasn't possible. If it can't be described in words,it doesn't seem possible for AI to replicate it.