Help identifying vintage speedmaster 105.012 145.012?

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Hi All,
Can anyone shed some light on this speedmaster. ? 105.012 or 145.012. Not sure on chrono hand. Owners says has been in same family for over 50 years.

Many Thanks


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Length looks right...


Serial number and inner caseback is going to go along way to tell you what you want to know.
 
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I value any input forum members may have. What's not right?
Bracelet is junk,

Edit removed comment on dial.
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Could be an Ultraman, but you need to get it opened to know.
 
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Bracelet is junk, service dial.

I put no value on bracelet also, but how can you tell it's a service dial?
 
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I don't think it's a service dial.
I see my mistake... bad foo...
 
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If it is an Ultraman and can be verified what should I be looking at to pay for it?
 
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If it is an Ultraman and can be verified what should I be looking at to pay for it?

If it is an actual Ultraman then you're probably looking at anywhere from $12-15k. The serial number is pretty the only thing that will help you decide whether this is a $12-15k or a $7-8k watch.
 
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To answer the question, if the pushers are original, it could be a 145.012.
The orange chrono hand seems to mean that it could be an ultraman if it was not replaced during a past service. If so, as highlighted by other members, the price can be incredibely high...
As said by Spacefruit, if you consider to buy this one, be sure you get the extract of archives (depending upon the requested amount obviously...).
 
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Well you only need an extract if you are paying for an Ultraman.....😀

Lets see the movement....
 
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It could be an Ultraman. it depends from the extracts. the lenght of the pushers are remind me a 145.012
 
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Thanks to all the forum members for their input. I'll continue my negotiation with seller and see where it takes me.