Help evaluating Polerouter Date

Ted1858

Hello UG enthusiasts,
I came across this Polerouter for sale that the seller states as a Ref 204503/3 with everything original. The issue is that the case back has been polished to where the reference and serial numbers are no longer visible. Is there anyway to validate original vs Franken without a legible case back?

From the threads on this forum it appears that the dial font, features, and UG logo are appropriate for the 215 movement. The crown is signed, but the crystal is not. I wasn't sure if all Polerouter crystals were signed.

Anyway, some pics are below. Seller is asking 1600 euro. If anything I am just hoping to progress my education with this thread. Cheers!

filmir

Did you ask to see if the reference numbers are between the lugs? This reference should have a round loupe, but they were signed as well and hard to find.

Ted1858

Got it - so the crystal is a replacement then, thank you for that. Right as you were posting I found this old thread that I think was implying the same: https://omegaforums.net/threads/thi...r-date-in-old-polerouter-advertisement.33335/

I will check with the seller on the existence of a reference number between the lugs. Was that standard on PRs?

Ted1858

I will check with the seller on the existence of a reference number between the lugs. Was that standard on PRs?

Mazoue

Depends on the case reference. The tables in the reference site state whether they are found on the case back or between the lugs.

For this reference, the 204503-3, I think you should find them between the lugs.
https://universalgenevepolerouter.com/reference-tables/reference-table-steel-gold-plated/

CafeRacer

I just double checked my own 204503-3 and the lug width is definitely 19mm (18.9-19.0).
The photos show it has the correct spacer for these references, though the clamps are sitting outside of it for some reason..? (they arent doing their job in that position, if you remove the stem the movement will just fall out...).
Id ask the seller to remeasure the lug widths with calipers, and ask for a photo...
And while youre at it, ask for a photo between the lugs for the serial/reference - it can be very hard to see sometimes.
https://universalgen
evepolerouter.com/guide-to-locating-model-reference-and-serial-numbers/

barryzelf

Hi I'm always interested to learn so forgive my question.. But can you explain why the clamps are not placed properly? I looked at several pictures of this movement type but they alll seem to be placed this way.

filmir

My guess is that they didnt measured correctly the lugs. If that is a 18mm strap there is a little room to make it a 19mm lugs.

Diabolik

It is a nice one. I would not be put off by that although it is desirable to have a ref and serial. Is that the reference i can see on the third pic ?

Dan S

Some collectors don't like to buy watches without numbers. If you're concerned about re-sale, I'd pass on this one and buy the best possible example you can find.

Dan S

Some collectors don't like to buy watches without numbers. If you're concerned about re-sale, I'd pass on this one and buy the best possible example you can find.