Help evaluate this Constellation 167 005

lo1979 · Nov 27, 2020

Hi all. Once again I m asking for your precious help. Is this watch a good piece?Sells for 2000 euro. Service history unknown.
Here some pics
https://m.imgur.com/a/qlYIz8d

Thanks a lot for your help. Regards

Skipper_S · Nov 27, 2020

lo1979
Hi all. Once again I m asking for your precious help. Is this watch a good piece?Sells for 2000 euro. Service history unknown.
Here some pics
https://m.imgur.com/a/qlYIz8d

Thanks a lot for your help. Regards

hi!
Last time you asked for help here, you posted a link or you attached pictures?

lo1979 · Nov 27, 2020

Ok here is the pics

Romega · Nov 27, 2020

Hi, it might be my eyes, but picures are not sharp enough to decide if the dial is original or a (good) refinish.
But - case reference is correct, caliber is correct, serialnumber is OK, crown seems OK. The price is in the high end for this mode, in my opinion.

Passover · Nov 27, 2020

After a year here on the forum and a lot of advise - Don't you think you should start evaluating yourself?

If you write here what you found out yourself -even it should be not very much- we could start a discussion about the watch 😉

Just my

janice&fred · Nov 27, 2020

Lots of times one just wants another set of eyes on a watch. I know I do from time to time.

Passover · Nov 27, 2020

janice&fred
Lots of times one just wants another set of eyes on a watch. I know I do from time to time.

If that is the case I would like to apologize!

lo1979 · Nov 27, 2020

Skipper_S
hi!
Last time you asked for help here, you posted a link or you attached pictures?

Hi there, only screen shot, I do

Passover
If that is the case I would like to apologize!

no worries, it s my first vintage, just Idon't want to buy franker or redial piece

lo1979 · Nov 27, 2020

Passover
After a year here on the forum and a lot of advise - Don't you think you should start evaluating yourself?

If you write here what you found out yourself -even it should be not very much- we could start a discussion about the watch 😉

Just my

hi, one thing I would like to know if these hands are correct, also the seller said the dial is original, but seems too perfect ,could it be a redial?
regards

Noddyman · Nov 27, 2020

I clicked on your link and the pics are much clearer.
It’s a lovely example of a gold capped Connie.
The dial is original, the case has lovely sharp edges and the medallion is crisp. (Note: there are some engraved numbers visible on the case back if that bothers you).
My only reservation would be the price as €2000 is on the high side. €1500 ish would be better.
As people say though find another one..

Edit: I forgot to mention, the box has some value if included, maybe around €150. It’s not the correct box for this ref though - it’s earlier.

Peemacgee · Nov 27, 2020

lo1979
hi, one thing I would like to know if these hands are correct, also the seller said the dial is original, but seems too perfect ,could it be a redial?
regards

Well it's not a grail as the seller claims but I was just about to post almost exactly what @Noddyman said above.
Very nice no-date dogleg
Good case for a gold cap watch
Lovely dial
Too expensive by about £500 (but try and find another)
I also think the box is possibly too early and is missing the all important (impossible to find) presentation tray. (so to me is worth very little)

If it had been serviced I would have been happier, as the movt is a little grubby and shows some signs of rotor rub.
If this is what you have really been looking for, try to do a deal for at least the price of a proper service and pull the trigger.

slightly better pics for posterity

Verdi · Nov 27, 2020

For 2k E I would hunt for a solid gold piece....even if I have to add a little.

Peemacgee · Nov 27, 2020

Verdi
For 2k E I would hunt for a solid gold piece....even if I have to add a little.

I agree a gold dogleg would be very nice to have but a good condition solid gold pie pan dogleg no-date would cost you more than a little more (probably something like nearly twice as much)

Here's an ok 14k date version advertised on TRF recently - a nice dial but overpriced at $4450 in my eyes given the soft lugs - but you get the idea
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=776432

Zapatta · Nov 27, 2020

Peemacgee
I also think the box is possibly too early and is missing the all important (impossible to find) presentation tray. (so to me is worth very little)

You are right and box is for calendar Connie so its not correct for this model

Gamma11 · Nov 27, 2020

Sorry for the off topic question but what does the letter T after the word MADE signify here? Is it specific to the 167.005 reference number or to a particular country where the watch has been assembled?

Peemacgee · Nov 27, 2020

Gamma11
Sorry for the off topic question but what does the letter T after the word MADE signify here? Is it specific to the 167.005 reference number or to a particular country where the watch has been assembled?

simply that it has tritium on the dial

ConElPueblo · Nov 27, 2020

Peemacgee
I agree a gold dogleg would be very nice to have but a good condition solid gold pie pan dogleg no-date would cost you more than a little more (probably something like nearly twice as much)

This one cost me less than €2K:

Hard to fault, but I ended up returning it.

Should have flipped it here, it would seem 😉

Peemacgee · Nov 27, 2020

ConElPueblo
This one cost me less than €2K:

Hard to fault, but I ended up returning it.

Should have flipped it here, it would seem 😉

yes, but you are something of a truffle hound 😉

what made you return it?

ConElPueblo · Nov 27, 2020

Peemacgee
yes, but you are something of a truffle hound 😉

what made you return it?

I don't really know. Just felt underwhelming, I guess.

Discovering vintage Certinas has made a lot of watches feel that way 😁

Btw, it was in a completely open auction on one of the most published auction houses in the country.

Peemacgee · Nov 27, 2020

I have to confess, I have this one, bequeathed from one of our long-standing members, and I am unlikely to ever part with it.

Help evaluate this Constellation 167 005

lo1979

Skipper_S

lo1979

Romega

Passover

janice&fred

Passover

lo1979

lo1979

Noddyman

Peemacgee

Verdi

Peemacgee

Zapatta

Gamma11

Peemacgee

ConElPueblo

Peemacgee

ConElPueblo

Peemacgee

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