I'm considering this 145.022 on Ebay - still looking for my first vintage Speedy. I have a lot to learn, so help educate me please with your evaluations and fair value range. I have a couple of ? marks, but would love to hear from the experts.

Thanks much!

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I'm no expert....Looks like some good stuff there...The chrono hand is a replacement though.. Correct dot over 90 bezel... Pictures aren't great

 

Yes, pics are awful. Chrono hand should not be flat on the end? Winding crown looks later replacement too.

I am not looking for a project & wear my few watches frequently.

 

I'm with you.. I prefer to wait... Find as original as humanly possible...Can take years...

 

Although the pictures are pretty blurry I will dare to drop an assessment:

I think it is a clean watch with original dial, bezel, hands, winding crown... and it is a not so common real transitional

I do not understand your concerns.

But I will gladly stand corrected by the Speedy experts - I am still on a steep learning curve

 

I'm no expert, and I am craving every bit of Speedie info I can lay my hands on!

But I wanted to comment...

Pictures aren't great but it looks like its in very nice condition. If you're looking for a cal. 861, this also has the applied logo dial and a clean looking dot-over-90 bezel. It also has a 1039 bracelet which, like the dial and bezel, are suited not only for this watch but also for the earlier 105.012-66 and 145.012-67 versions that sport a cal. 321.

I'm guessing the value for watch and bracelet around low to mid $3k? Hopefully others will chime in on that.

So as 145.022's go, this has a desirable configuration. But I remember you mentioned in another thread you were in the (eBay bidding) game on a nice original 145.067-12.

If I were shopping for my first vintage Speedie, I personally would want one with a cal. 321. It's that much closer to the actual watch that went to the moon!

Not to throw you off the path of getting this one. I have no motive to do so as I have no interest in the 861 (at the moment ). In fact, I too am looking for a Speedie (with a 321). It won't be my first, my only, or my last. I just think the 321-equipped Speedies are that much more bad-a$$.

As a collector/hobbyist, I prefer to share my thoughts/advice/flawed knowledge with like-minded people. So if you start chasing the same 321's that I (and many others, trust me!) are chasing, sincerest wishes for luck in the hunt!

 

So, looks like it's a pretty good example based on the pics and info available. Any other comments welcomed.

Time Exposure - Just looking to pick up a good first piece to try for a while. I was bidding on a very nice 321, but it went out of my target range. I have learned from experience (with another brand) not to go for broke first time out of the box. If it turns out I love the Speedy, I can always upgrade later -saw some pics of an "ed white" that was awesome.

 

Wow, this went for $4,250? I know the original 1069 bracelet was included, plus the 1171, but that's in the range of a decent 321. Please share thoughts/comments as to why this went so high. Only thing I noticed were only 7 bidders, 1 private and the rest with around 100 or less feedback.

 

The lowest of the sniper bids was $3,600 with four bidders above it, so it doesn't smell shilly.

It seems high to me, too. Maybe condition?

Perhaps there is a perception (or proof?) there are few transitionals like this: a .022 reference with its proper cal. 861, but with the dot-over-90 bezel and applied logo dial. I think these were only found on the earliest 861's.

Or maybe someone has Franken-plans? I'm not even sure if the applied logo dial on this 861 fits a 321, but couldn't someone cobble together a 321 movement and 145.012 case back with this case front/dial/bezel?

I'm interested to see other theories. I was watching (not a buyer on 861's) just to see where transitionals like this are valued. I was blown away, even if it is a prime example!

 

I missed that by about $10. It was a very nice one.

 

Bingo.

 

It might have been $500 for all we know - that's how eBay bidding works.

 

Good point. Either way, I was under the highest bidder!

Edit: now it makes me think what the 321's are going to go for in nice shape?!

 

OK, factor in the value of short 20-21 links unless some were hidden beneath clasp at $350-400? Value of 1171 at $150-200? That leaves the head valued at $3650-3750? Seller stated they would ship to USA only, so that rules out market/currency differences. (I will have to give the seller credit for responding quickly and precisely to inquiries.) I thought I'd followed values of 60's Speedmasters for the last 4-5 years, but I'm missing something here. Does anyone know/have any production estimates for the 145.022-68's?

 

Wasn't there a 1039 as well? They sell for around £800 in the UK alone.

 

Sorry, I left out 1039 when referring to the short, 20-21 link bracelet which I valued at $350-400USD.
"OK, factor in the value of short 20-21 links unless some were hidden beneath clasp at $350-400?"