Help decoding curiosity old ladies’ diamond watch 18k 1940?

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Hello everyone,

I would appreciate your help identifying and assessing an unusual Omega-signed 18K gold ladies’ jewellery watch. You may also scroll down to SUMMARY, although the findings so far are pretty interesting in my opinion.

I have tried to document all physical details as accurately as possible. The main question is whether this could be an original Omega jewellery watch that received a replacement movement at some point, or whether it is a high-quality Swiss jewellery watch that was subsequently given Omega branding.
I am particularly interested in identifying the case maker (Poinçon de Maître hammer-head No. 12) and the 19.4 mm movement.

Basic DESCRIPTION​

The watch is a small ladies’ jewellery/cocktail watch with an integrated bracelet.
Measurements:
  • Case diameter: approximately 22.5 mm
  • Dial diameter: approximately 18 mm
  • Movement diameter: 19.4 mm
  • Bracelet width at case: approximately 16 mm
  • Bracelet width at clasp: approximately 15 mm
  • Overall length: approximately 195 mm
    • bracelet sections approx. 110 + 75 mm
    • clasp approx. 10 mm
The bracelet is an integrated construction consisting of overlapping, scale-like articulated elements with a textured/perlage-type relief.
The bezel contains 30 small stones, positive tested diamonds with DS II 861.

The complete watch weighs approximately is 42 g
I have subsequently separated the components:
  • movement + dial: approximately 5 g
  • case + caseback + complete integrated bracelet: approximately 37 g
The dial is silver/silver-grey with a sunburst finish.
Features:
  • applied Omega symbol at 12
  • OMEGA below it
  • applied block/baton hour markers, except at 12
  • small seconds at 6
  • ANTIMAGNETIC
  • SWISS MADE at the bottom

The authenticity/originality of the dial printing is one of the main questions.

Caseback markings​

The outside of the caseback carries:
Ω
OMEGA

and below/near it:
18K 0.750
together with Swiss precious-metal hallmarks.
The caseback is also numbered:
16203
The Omega signature, gold marks and 16203 can be seen in the attached macro photographs.

Swiss hallmarks​

The precious-metal marks appear to be:
Poinçon de Maître No. 1 - “marteau sans manche” / hammer head
with the number:
12
followed by:
18K 0.750
and the Swiss Helvetia head gold hallmark.
The hammer-head number is clearly 12 on close inspection.
My understanding is that the hammer-head is a Swiss collective responsibility mark used for precious-metal watch cases, with the number identifying the individual registered case manufacturer.
I have so far been unable to find a reliable surviving identification of hammer-head No. 12.
This is one of the main things I would particularly appreciate help with:
Does anyone have access to an early Swiss Poinçon de Maître register that identifies marteau sans manche No. 12?

Number inside caseback​

Inside the caseback there is another stamped five-digit number.
It appears to read:
31174
The first digit is less distinct than the others, but I believe 31174 is the most likely reading.
I do not know whether this is a case-maker production number, order number or another reference.

Movement​

This is where the main authenticity problem arises.
The watch contains a small round manual-winding Swiss movement with:
  • diameter: 19.4 mm
  • small seconds
  • 17 jewels
  • inscription:
SWISS
17 JEWELS

There is also a small marking which appears to read:
RA
The movement is not visibly signed Omega.
The movement is currently not running, and the crown is missing.
Photos of the movement are attached.
I would particularly appreciate a definitive identification of this movement from the bridge architecture.

Movement identification investigated so far​

The 19.4 mm diameter initially raised several possibilities.
Various Omega ladies’ calibres were considered, including the R11.5 / 210–213 family and the earlier Omega 19.4 family.
The visible movement, however, does not appear to match the bridge architecture of the Omega calibres examined, and the complete absence of Omega movement markings remains difficult to explain if this were the original movement.
A generic Swiss ébauche therefore currently seems more likely.
Ebauches Bettlach EB 1333 and A. Schild possibilities have been considered, partly because of the 19.4 mm dimension, but I do not regard the exact calibre identification as established yet.
I would therefore be grateful if someone familiar with Swiss ébauches could identify it from the photographs rather than relying on my preliminary research.

Could the movement be a later replacement?​

One possibility I have considered is:
original Omega jewellery watch → original Omega movement subsequently failed or was lost → later 19.4 mm Swiss replacement movement installed.
The exact 19.4 mm diameter is interesting because Omega itself used movements of this nominal size historically.
However, at present I have no positive evidence that this particular case originally housed an Omega 19.4 movement, so I do not want to assume this.
I would especially appreciate opinions on whether the movement mounting/case construction shows evidence of adaptation or whether the present movement appears to belong naturally in the case.


The number 16203 is particularly concerning​

During research I found other watches described as Omega / Seamaster / Antimagnetic / 18K / 16203 that have already been discussed in thi Omega Forums and questioned as non-original Omegas.
At least one other 16203 example reportedly contained an A. Schild AS 1130 rather than an Omega movement.
This raises the possibility that:
16203 may not be an Omega reference at all, but rather a case/model number belonging to an independent Swiss case/watch manufacturer.
That would potentially explain why more than one Omega-signed “16203” has appeared with a non-Omega movement.
On the other hand, my watch is clearly not a lightweight plated watch. The case and unusually elaborate integrated bracelet weigh approximately 37 g without the movement/dial, and the case carries Swiss 18K/0.750 and Helvetia hallmarks together with the numbered hammer-head responsibility mark.

So I think two separate questions need to be distinguished:
  1. Is the 18K Swiss jewellery case genuine?
    The hallmarks and construction strongly suggest that it is.
  2. Was this jewellery watch actually manufactured/sold as an Omega?
    This remains unresolved.

Approximate period​

Stylistically, the watch appears to be a mid-century Swiss ladies’ jewellery/cocktail watch, probably somewhere around the 1940s–1950s, although I would welcome corrections.
I would prefer not to assign a precise date until the movement and case maker have been identified.


Current working assessmentAt present I see three possible explanations:​

A. Original Omega jewellery watch with a later replacement movement
This would explain the Omega-signed case/dial together with the unsigned movement, but would require evidence that the case and dial are genuinely Omega.
B. High-quality Swiss 18K jewellery watch from another manufacturer, later re-signed as Omega
This currently seems a serious possibility, particularly because other “16203” Omega-signed watches with non-Omega movements appear to exist.
C. Original Omega as presently configured
This seems the least likely possibility because I would expect an original Omega mechanical watch of this period to have a properly signed/numbered Omega movement.

Questions for Omega Forum specialists​

I would particularly appreciate help with the following:
  1. Is 16203 known anywhere as a genuine Omega case/reference number?
  2. Has anyone seen this exact case/bracelet construction on another Omega or under another brand?
  3. Can anyone identify Poinçon de Maître No. 1, hammer-head / marteau sans manche No. 12?
  4. Can anyone identify the 19.4 mm, 17-jewel “SWISS / RA” movement from the photographs?
  5. Does the Omega stamping on the caseback look period-correct and factory-applied?
  6. Does the dial appear to be an original Omega dial, a refinished Omega dial, or a completely re-signed/non-Omega dial?
  7. Could this case plausibly have originally contained an Omega 19.4 mm movement?
  8. Does the present movement appear to be a later replacement, or does the case/movement fit suggest that it was designed around this type of generic ébauche?
  9. Does anyone recognize the internal number 31174?
  10. Has anyone documented another 16203 with the same hammer-head No. 12 hallmark?

Summary​

The physical specifications are:
Omega-signed Swiss ladies’ jewellery watch
Case: 18K / 0.750
Case diameter: 22.5 mm
Dial: 18 mm
Movement: 19.4 mm, manual wind, 17 jewels, small seconds, unsigned Omega
Case number: 16203
Inside case number: probably 31174
Poinçon de Maître: hammer-head / marteau sans manche No. 12
Swiss hallmark: Helvetia head
Integrated bracelet: 15–16 mm wide
Overall length: 195 mm
Approx. 30 stones around bezel
Total weight: 42 g
Case + caseback + bracelet: 37 g
Movement + dial: 5 g
Condition: movement not running, crown missing

I am attaching detailed photographs of the complete watch, dial, bracelet, caseback, hallmarks, inside caseback and movement.
Any information from Omega catalogues, case-maker registers or experience with similar jewellery watches would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all so much for any input available!

 
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Please stop posting this AI slop. It really doesnt help anyone. If AI needs so much text and cant even tell this is a 100% fake it is a proof of the utterly uselessness.
 
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Dear Mark020,

Many thanks for your kind and valuable advice.

As far as I know, this genuine 18k white-gold watch with diamond bezel is the first example I have seen with a 16203 mark (a red flag), while also carrying the correct Swiss Helvetia hallmark for 18k gold produced outside Geneva (right) and Poinçon de Maître collectif No. 1, hammerhead without handle No. 12 (left). This mark was registered in 1926 but does not appear in the centralized 1934 records.

The original Omega 19.4 T1/T2 movement (1930/1935) may have been replaced later by an AS 1156 or EB 1333 (-66 or -74).

As for AI, I used it to translate the thread from my native language into English and to help structure the text.
I’d be interested to hear what I could have done better in presenting my findings.
(Disclaimer: Translation by AI)
 
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That is NOT an Omega! This piece of carp does not warrant answers to every comment made or question asked in the text. Reported to the moderators. Diamonds? Get real!
 
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That is NOT an Omega! This piece of carp does not warrant answers to every comment made or question asked in the text. Reported to the moderators.
Thanks again! Real gold, real diamonds, watch has been in our family’s possession since 1990. Can you show me any real genuine 18k gold with diamonds watch (gold value alone 3000+ Euro) with a red flag 16203 number? Its not about fake or not fake, it is about disclosing even old fakes with apparently real gold and diamonds that obviously were produced when these watches were fashion. This one in the 1950ies...
 
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Thanks again! Real gold, real diamonds, watch has been in our family’s possession since 1990. Can you show me any real genuine 18k gold with diamonds watch (gold value alone 3000+ Euro) with a red flag 16203 number? Its not about fake or not fake, it is about disclosing even old fakes with apparently real gold and diamonds that obviously were produced when these watches were fashion. This one in the 1950ies...
How do you know it is real gold? Someone faking the watch inscribed the Omega on the back, but you believe the hallmarks to be genuine?
 
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It’s fake. It’s not Omega. I suggest you go elsewhere if you have further questions.
 
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How do you know it is real gold? Someone faking the watch inscribed the Omega on the back, but you believe the hallmarks to be genuine?
Tested with acid by jeweler, same for the diamonds with menitoned tester, cut of diamonds is round brilliant cut.
 
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Tested with acid by jeweler, same for the diamonds with menitoned tester, cut of diamonds is round brilliant cut.
Gold was not so valuable once, so I guess it is possible for fakes to be real gold. I would take it back to that jewler and try to get the melt value plus a tiny bit for the diamonds.

Or enjoy it as is.
 
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It’s fake. It’s not Omega. I suggest you go elsewhere if you have further questions.
Thank you for responding. Can you please add any facts that this assumption is based on that adds up to the ones I already mentioned in the findings (16203 not ref. number and already RLed by this forum, obviously not an omega movement, 37114 not a ref. number, Omega brand sign seems not original, Antimagnetic not used by Omega with ladies watches)?
 
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Gold was not so valuable once, so I guess it is possible for fakes to be real gold. I would take it back to that jewler and try to get the melt value plus a tiny bit for the diamonds.

Or enjoy it as is.
Already done: 37 g watch without movement and dial, roughly 3200 Euros in gold value. The diamonds are not rated yet.
 
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Can you post a close up picture of those brilliant cut diamonds?
 
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Can you post a close up picture of those brilliant cut diamonds?
Here you go, close ups to the best of my capabilities... the last 2 are digitally magnified