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  1. Graf Lagunovi Nov 5, 2019

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    There are 2 chronographs. they are similar but different. why? military chronograph and civil?
     
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  2. ConElPueblo Nov 5, 2019

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    A qualified guess would be that the top one was originally without lume (and has replaced hands) while the lower one had lumed indices and hands. Both look like they have been worked on, if nothing else then for removing lume on the lower one.
     
  3. Graf Lagunovi Nov 5, 2019

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    not so asked. Is it a military and civil chronograph? why were the numbers there with paint but not on the other?
     
  4. ConElPueblo Nov 5, 2019

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    I'm sorry?

    I realise that you are communicating in a foreign language online, but please - when someone take their time to try and answer your question "not so asked" is not a very polite reply. Please consider this next time you write here.

    But to answer your question: normally issued watches will be marked on the case back or elsewhere on the case; sometimes it will have a military designation written on the dial. I do not know of any issued Lemania chronograph without markings, so I will assume that these are civilian models. One probably had luminous paint on the numbers, which has been removed at some point.

    Hope this helps :)
     
  5. Graf Lagunovi Nov 5, 2019

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    thank you very much. Yes, you correctly said in a foreign language. I really wanted to offend, believe, I did not want. if it happened, please forgive! So if there is no marking, is it civil?
     
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  6. DeepBlue Nov 5, 2019

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    yes probably. Engravings might be on the caseback, or on the movement itself if it is military.
     
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  7. Graf Lagunovi Nov 5, 2019

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    there could be tex on the back wall but there is nothing there. on the mechanism only the number and word Lemania
     
  8. ConElPueblo Nov 6, 2019

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    In that case it is most likely a civilian watch. In order to make a good case for it being issued, you would have to go the other way around - find out if any of this model were issued somewhere and what are the characteristics of that particular watch.

    Very interesting watches, even without military background :)
     
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  9. Graf Lagunovi Nov 6, 2019

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    I agree! thank you very much! and the price is great.
     
  10. Northernman Lemaniac Nov 25, 2019

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    Both are highly likely civilian versions.
    Early and fine versions using the 13CH movement.
    Cases exists in various materials. Chrome plated, all stainless steel, solid gold and even solid silver.
    Mostly produced during the 1930s.
    Early ones has got ceramic dials.

    My two below:
    Stainless steel/black dial. The other one with a solid silver case.
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  11. Graf Lagunovi Nov 26, 2019

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    thanks! I tried to sell for 2500 € no one Bought ((now trying for $ 1700.
     
  12. Northernman Lemaniac Nov 26, 2019

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    We normally do not discuss prices in here. In general I think your latest prices are more in line with what is the going price in the market.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=lemania 13ch&_sacat=0Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
    Remember these are often asking, not selling prices.

    The downside of the 13CH watches is their relatively small size. Despite the size, I think they are desirable and important for a chronograph collector.
    There are several variants of the 13CH. Monopusher (either with a separate button like "ours", or with a button integrated in the crown), and versions with dual buttons.
    In combination with dial design and case design, there are many factors that will decide what someone are willing to pay for a watch being offered.
     
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  13. Graf Lagunovi Nov 26, 2019

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    I'm sorry, I’m arguing in a voice))
     
  14. Helvetia History Dec 6, 2019

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    Lovely watches!

    This looks to be the same case, but with button integrated in the crown, and a Breguet movement.

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    From this thread:

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/special-watches-from-1934-catalogue.104918/
     
  15. Northernman Lemaniac Dec 6, 2019

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    Hi,
    The reference to "Breguet Lever Movement" I believe not to point to the movement being made by Breguet, but rather a movement with lever escapement and Breguet overcoil hairspring?
    There is a thing called a Breguet Lever, but I would not expect to find this in a small chronograph.

    The Lemania 13CH/28.9 was delivered with a single pusher in the crown. One (not a very nice one) is for sale here:
    https://www.chrono24.com/lemania/13...t-mono-pusher-chronograph--id4842099.htm#gref


    :thumbsup:
    Cheers!
     
  16. Helvetia History Dec 6, 2019

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    I did think that about Breguet myself but I wasn't sure. Were Lemania the only manufacturer to offer this type of dual register chronograph as early as 1934?

    Thanks. Carl.
     
  17. Northernman Lemaniac Dec 6, 2019

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    I think several movement suppliers could deliver this type of movement.
    I do not have my litterature on the subject available, but Longines, Excelsior Park, Venus and Valjoux seems like possible candidates.
    Most are larger than the 13-ligne/28.9mm Lemania though.
    ;)
     
  18. Helvetia History Dec 6, 2019

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    Thanks. I'll see what I can find on them.
     
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