help deal with chronographs

Graf Lagunovi

There are 2 chronographs. they are similar but different. why? military chronograph and civil?

ConElPueblo

A qualified guess would be that the top one was originally without lume (and has replaced hands) while the lower one had lumed indices and hands. Both look like they have been worked on, if nothing else then for removing lume on the lower one.

Graf Lagunovi

not so asked. Is it a military and civil chronograph? why were the numbers there with paint but not on the other?

ConElPueblo

I'm sorry?

I realise that you are communicating in a foreign language online, but please - when someone take their time to try and answer your question "not so asked" is not a very polite reply. Please consider this next time you write here.

But to answer your question: normally issued watches will be marked on the case back or elsewhere on the case; sometimes it will have a military designation written on the dial. I do not know of any issued Lemania chronograph without markings, so I will assume that these are civilian models. One probably had luminous paint on the numbers, which has been removed at some point.

Hope this helps 😀

Graf Lagunovi

So if there is no marking, is it civil?

DeepBlue

yes probably. Engravings might be on the caseback, or on the movement itself if it is military.

Graf Lagunovi

there could be tex on the back wall but there is nothing there. on the mechanism only the number and word Lemania

ConElPueblo

In that case it is most likely a civilian watch. In order to make a good case for it being issued, you would have to go the other way around - find out if any of this model were issued somewhere and what are the characteristics of that particular watch.

Very interesting watches, even without military background 😀

Northernman

Both are highly likely civilian versions.
Early and fine versions using the 13CH movement.
Cases exists in various materials. Chrome plated, all stainless steel, solid gold and even solid silver.
Mostly produced during the 1930s.
Early ones has got ceramic dials.

My two below:
Stainless steel/black dial. The other one with a solid silver case.

Northernman

We normally do not discuss prices in here. In general I think your latest prices are more in line with what is the going price in the market.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=lemania 13ch&_sacat=0
Remember these are often asking, not selling prices.

The downside of the 13CH watches is their relatively small size. Despite the size, I think they are desirable and important for a chronograph collector.
There are several variants of the 13CH. Monopusher (either with a separate button like "ours", or with a button integrated in the crown), and versions with dual buttons.
In combination with dial design and case design, there are many factors that will decide what someone are willing to pay for a watch being offered.

Northernman

Both are highly likely civilian versions.
Early and fine versions using the 13CH movement.
Cases exists in various materials. Chrome plated, all stainless steel, solid gold and even solid silver.
Mostly produced during the 1930s.
Early ones has got ceramic dials.

My two below:
Stainless steel/black dial. The other one with a solid silver case.

Northernman

Hi,
The reference to "Breguet Lever Movement" I believe not to point to the movement being made by Breguet, but rather a movement with lever escapement and Breguet overcoil hairspring?
There is a thing called a Breguet Lever, but I would not expect to find this in a small chronograph.

The Lemania 13CH/28.9 was delivered with a single pusher in the crown. One (not a very nice one) is for sale here:
https://www.chrono24.com/lemania/13...t-mono-pusher-chronograph--id4842099.htm#gref


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