Goliath Query

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Hi Everyone - I'm new to the forum and wonder if anyone can help identify or provide any information about a Goliath pocket watch that I own. I bought it about 20 years ago as a non-runner and have just had it overhauled and repaired with a new spring.
It measures 65mm wide x 95mm to the top of the ring.
The only marking I can find is 'Argentan' on the inside of the case.
Is it an Omega? How old is it? And should it be an 8-day movement? (It only runs for about 60 hours between full winds.)
All, or any, information gratefully received.
Many thanks,
Peter
 
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UPDATE: since posting and seeing the enlarged photo of the movement, I can now see a serial number which is: 55197
 
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Is it an Omega?
Seriously doubt it.
P Petrr
How old is it?
Without a maker the serial# is useless, might even be if the maker was known.
P Petrr
And should it be an 8-day movement? (It only runs for about 60 hours between full winds.)
Apparently not. If it was just serviced and has a 60hr. reserve.
 
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Thank you @DaveK.

Hello Peter, welcome. I can tell you a bit about it – but probably not what you want to know!

In the period (approximately) 1885 – 1890, the ‘style’ amongst makers in Swiss watch industry was these ‘bar’ movements (also known as ‘pistol’ movements). Sadly I can’t tell you who made this watch (although there are still many of these to be found). This was before the start of the Omega operation – but Louis Brandt (the Omega parent) DID make bar movements: this was NOT one of them. In my opinion, this watch has nothing to do with Louis Brandt/Omega.

The case material used on this (and almost all similar pocket watches from this period) was a nickel alloy called Argentan – which is why that is marked inside the case. There were a few cases that were made of silver and the marking of Argentan is to distinguish it from silver (in spite of its silvery colour).

I agree with @Pvt-Public that the case number you show doesn’t help. If we knew the maker, it might help to date it (but only if an enthusiast had a particular interest in that make – but since we don’t know, sadly it’s no help.

I would expect this to be a ’30-hour’ calibre – so if you’re getting 60 hours you’re lucky! There were indeed 8-day pocket watches that followed the period of the bar movements – and Omega did indeed produce the 30’’’ and 27’’’8-day watches, but they were larger – not least to accommodate larger springs (and were known as ‘Goliaths’ – a term started by Louis Brandt).

Incidentally, production of some of the bar movements that Louis Brant did produce continued well into the time after the start of the Omega operation – and at one time, for about 8 years Omega was producing a 27’’’ 30-hour bar movement and a 27’’’8-day in parallel.

These large ‘pocket’ watches were generally too large for the pocket and were intended for display. The silver-fronted display stand you show was typical for watches like this – quite possibly produced in UK (a big market for the Swiss industry at that time). You should find a hallmark on the silver of that display stand – and that would allow dating of the silver-fronted stand (I guess about 1900): although there is no guarantee that the watch started with this stand, there’s a good chance. Please show that hallmark if you can find it. Tom
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The polishing of any watch tends to be frowned upon. However, the (solid) silver front to the display case is another matter: this stand would (in my opinion) benefit from being polished – and indeed in Victorian England (about that 1900 period) anyone who had enough money to own a watch (in a silver-fronted stand) might well have had staff that polished it for him!

Here’s one of mine (which IS an Omega) in a stand with a similar hammered finish.
 
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Thank you @DaveK.

Hello Peter, welcome. I can tell you a bit about it – but probably not what you want to know!

In the period (approximately) 1885 – 1890, the ‘style’ amongst makers in Swiss watch industry was these ‘bar’ movements (also known as ‘pistol’ movements). Sadly I can’t tell you who made this watch (although there are still many of these to be found). This was before the start of the Omega operation – but Louis Brandt (the Omega parent) DID make bar movements: this was NOT one of them. In my opinion, this watch has nothing to do with Louis Brandt/Omega.

The case material used on this (and almost all similar pocket watches from this period) was a nickel alloy called Argentan – which is why that is marked inside the case. There were a few cases that were made of silver and the marking of Argentan is to distinguish it from silver (in spite of its silvery colour).

I agree with @Pvt-Public that the case number you show doesn’t help. If we knew the maker, it might help to date it (but only if an enthusiast had a particular interest in that make – but since we don’t know, sadly it’s no help.

I would expect this to be a ’30-hour’ calibre – so if you’re getting 60 hours you’re lucky! There were indeed 8-day pocket watches that followed the period of the bar movements – and Omega did indeed produce the 30’’’ and 27’’’8-day watches, but they were larger – not least to accommodate larger springs (and were known as ‘Goliaths’ – a term started by Louis Brandt).

Incidentally, production of some of the bar movements that Louis Brant did produce continued well into the time after the start of the Omega operation – and at one time, for about 8 years Omega was producing a 27’’’ 30-hour bar movement and a 27’’’8-day in parallel.

These large ‘pocket’ watches were generally too large for the pocket and were intended for display. The silver-fronted display stand you show was typical for watches like this – quite possibly produced in UK (a big market for the Swiss industry at that time). You should find a hallmark on the silver of that display stand – and that would allow dating of the silver-fronted stand (I guess about 1900): although there is no guarantee that the watch started with this stand, there’s a good chance. Please show that hallmark if you can find it. Tom

Many thanks indeed for this helpful and detailed reply; I really appreciate expert knowledge, especially when people go to the trouble of explaining things. I'm not really disappointed that this watch is not an Omega, because I had no expectation that it would be... As I said, I bought it very cheaply as a non-runner, and I'm now very pleased to finally have it working. Meanwhile, I'll have a look at the case and see if I can find any hallmarks. Thanks again!
 
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Many thanks indeed for this helpful and detailed reply; I really appreciate expert knowledge, especially when people go to the trouble of explaining things. I'm not really disappointed that this watch is not an Omega, because I had no expectation that it would be... As I said, I bought it very cheaply as a non-runner, and I'm now very pleased to finally have it working. Meanwhile, I'll have a look at the case and see if I can find any hallmarks. Thanks again!
 
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Many thanks indeed for this helpful and detailed reply; I really appreciate expert knowledge, especially when people go to the trouble of explaining things.
Polite and appreciative, this new guy may be a keeper. LOL
 
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Polite and appreciative... but not interested in perfunctory comments to genuine enquiries.