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southtexas
·I'm still recovering from that fact that somebody acquired 25% of the lots and thinks he can make money
Goldberger Omega Time-Only Collection Auction Discussed
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerIt can’t be an impulse buy 
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SOG53
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https://omegaforums.net/threads/my-vintage-omega-collection.194001/
Olimpia ·
Thread 'My Vintage Omega collection' ·
My Vintage Omega collection!
Looks like maybe keeping some? This popped up in Omega Review thread
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Olimpia
·This is ridiculous now.
Fully serviced yet only 220 amp and over 2 beat error. Part of me feels bad for the OP but it was a severe error in judgement to buy these at a premium auction with the intent to flip a profit. The service was clearly not an “elite, top tier” service given the specs above and now it seems like you’re just hoping to flip it onto someone who knows even less than you do by using jazzy catch phrases and hyping them and the collection above where they actually sit.
In 1944, wartime Omega military movements did not feature modern shock protection or micro-metric regulator balances. A beat error of 2,4-2.9 ms and a stable amplitude of 221° on an un-restored, 82-year-old original military balance wheel is a textbook performance for an authentic wartime piece. Any watchmaker forcing modern COSC specs onto a museum-grade reference like this would completely destroy its historical integrity.
Furthermore, you are trying to debate the description of a watch that carries a certified John Goldberger provenance. If you haven’t encountered this specific variation or these period-correct specs in your own collection, it simply highlights how rare this Salazar military reference actually is.
That being said, I will not engage in further useless polemics that would only waste my precious time. I genuinely have no intention of responding to those who do not read carefully and simply do not know. Enjoy the hobby
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ErichKeane
·It’s quite revealing that you are looking at a technical report for a legendary 1944 military-spec Caliber 30T2 SC and trying to judge it by 1960s Constellation retail standards.
In 1944, wartime Omega military movements did not feature modern shock protection or micro-metric regulator balances. A beat error of 2,4-2.9 ms and a stable amplitude of 221° on an un-restored, 82-year-old original military balance wheel is a textbook performance for an authentic wartime piece. Any watchmaker forcing modern COSC specs onto a museum-grade reference like this would completely destroy its historical integrity.
Furthermore, you are trying to debate the description of a watch that carries a certified John Goldberger provenance. If you haven’t encountered this specific variation or these period-correct specs in your own collection, it simply highlights how rare this Salazar military reference actually is.
That being said, I will not engage in further useless polemics that would only waste my precious time. I genuinely have no intention of responding to those who do not read carefully and simply do not know. Enjoy the hobby
Good luck finding a bigger sucker than yourself.
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lenndon
·A beat error of 2,4-2.9 ms and a stable amplitude of 221° on an un-restored, 82-year-old original military balance wheel is a textbook performance for an authentic wartime piece. Any watchmaker forcing modern COSC specs onto a museum-grade reference like this would completely destroy its historical integrity.
And what would it mean to be forcing modern specs onto a watch? By fixing it?
I think adjusting beat error is part of a good service and should not be considered "destroying historical integrity"...
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Davidt
·It’s quite revealing that you are looking at a technical report for a legendary 1944 military-spec Caliber 30T2 SC and trying to judge it by 1960s Constellation retail standards.
In 1944, wartime Omega military movements did not feature modern shock protection or micro-metric regulator balances. A beat error of 2,4-2.9 ms and a stable amplitude of 221° on an un-restored, 82-year-old original military balance wheel is a textbook performance for an authentic wartime piece. Any watchmaker forcing modern COSC specs onto a museum-grade reference like this would completely destroy its historical integrity.
Furthermore, you are trying to debate the description of a watch that carries a certified John Goldberger provenance. If you haven’t encountered this specific variation or these period-correct specs in your own collection, it simply highlights how rare this Salazar military reference actually is.
That being said, I will not engage in further useless polemics that would only waste my precious time. I genuinely have no intention of responding to those who do not read carefully and simply do not know. Enjoy the hobby
You have a hugely skewed view of the condition, value and historical merit of these watches, fuelled in part I assume by an understandable element of self preservation.
But come on man, get real.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!It’s quite revealing that you are looking at a technical report for a legendary 1944 military-spec Caliber 30T2 SC and trying to judge it by 1960s Constellation retail standards.
In 1944, wartime Omega military movements did not feature modern shock protection or micro-metric regulator balances. A beat error of 2,4-2.9 ms and a stable amplitude of 221° on an un-restored, 82-year-old original military balance wheel is a textbook performance for an authentic wartime piece. Any watchmaker forcing modern COSC specs onto a museum-grade reference like this would completely destroy its historical integrity.
Furthermore, you are trying to debate the description of a watch that carries a certified John Goldberger provenance. If you haven’t encountered this specific variation or these period-correct specs in your own collection, it simply highlights how rare this Salazar military reference actually is.
That being said, I will not engage in further useless polemics that would only waste my precious time. I genuinely have no intention of responding to those who do not read carefully and simply do not know. Enjoy the hobby
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Olimpia
·Gee I guess this 30T2 wartime Omega from 1943 was a fluke. Or maybe a decent watchmaker like Mitka of this parish can do a lot better than you suggest...
You are comparing a heavily serviced, standard RAF 6b/159 pilot watch to a museum-grade, unpolished Ref. 2179 'Salazar' Sector Dial from the John Goldberger collection. For a historically untouched piece with this pedigree, preserving the 1944 factory-original balance wheel geometry and components is paramount. Forcing modern COSC specs onto it through invasive watchmaking would completely destroy its historical integrity—a nuance that an actual collector would know.
The watch comes with a certified Technical Service Report and an official MLG Provenance Sheet confirming its 100% factory-original state. Enjoy the hobby!
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liquidsongbird
·Seven listings still available for purchase on Chrono24 if anyone is interested.
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Olimpia
·Seven listings still available for purchase on Chrono24 if anyone is interested.
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Olimpia
·Seven listings still available for purchase on Chrono24 if anyone is interested.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I just logged back into the forum after a long time and stumbled upon your wild lucubration. Thank you for the timegrapher lesson, but anyone who claims to be a 'fine connoisseur' of vintage Omega should instantly recognize that you are comparing apples to oranges.
You are comparing a heavily serviced, standard RAF 6b/159 pilot watch to a museum-grade, unpolished Ref. 2179 'Salazar' Sector Dial from the John Goldberger collection. For a historically untouched piece with this pedigree, preserving the 1944 factory-original balance wheel geometry and components is paramount. Forcing modern COSC specs onto it through invasive watchmaking would completely destroy its historical integrity—a nuance that an actual collector would know.
The watch comes with a certified Technical Service Report and an official MLG Provenance Sheet confirming its 100% factory-original state. Enjoy the hobby!
Interesting that lucubration refers to, and I quote, 'solemn, overly formal, or pompous scholarly writing and analysis'. I would venture that it is you who is pompous beyond belief here and are desperately defending the indefensible, namely your daft masterplan to get rich by buying hideously over priced assets of dubious quality and trying through sheer bullshit to find a greater fool. I would love to hear how you think a badly running watch that could be corrected by a decent service is preferable to a fully working all original example. Actually no don't bother. You are so far down your own rabbit hole or up your own fundament that it won't make any sense.
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Archer
·I just logged back into the forum after a long time and stumbled upon your wild lucubration. Thank you for the timegrapher lesson, but anyone who claims to be a 'fine connoisseur' of vintage Omega should instantly recognize that you are comparing apples to oranges.
You are comparing a heavily serviced, standard RAF 6b/159 pilot watch to a museum-grade, unpolished Ref. 2179 'Salazar' Sector Dial from the John Goldberger collection. For a historically untouched piece with this pedigree, preserving the 1944 factory-original balance wheel geometry and components is paramount. Forcing modern COSC specs onto it through invasive watchmaking would completely destroy its historical integrity—a nuance that an actual collector would know.
The watch comes with a certified Technical Service Report and an official MLG Provenance Sheet confirming its 100% factory-original state. Enjoy the hobby!
There is no "value" either from a watchmaking or collecting standpoint in keeping the position of the balance spring collet relative to the balance wheel "preserved" rather than turning the collet a miniscule amount to correct the beat error.
It is not an "invasive" watchmaking procedure, but a very basic part of doing a proper service, and any competent watchmaker would have corrected this.
You are in fact not "preserving" anything, as Omega requires that the beat error on this caliber should be 0.8 ms or less by their own specs, so it would not have left the factory with 3.5 times that value.
In addition, Omega requires that 24 hours after full winding, the balance amplitude in any position should not drop below 190 degrees. If you are starting at full wind horizontal with only 220 degrees, it is improbable that this will be above 190 in a vertical position after 24 hours. In fact it might already be below that at full wind...
You are using inane arguments to forgive a shoddy or incomplete service. Nothing more.
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ErichKeane
·I have literally NEVER heard a collector other than OP say "I really wish my watch ran WORSE in order to keep it at the beat error/time keeping/etc from the factory".
I HAVE seen folks pay extra for 'new old stock, no watchmaker has been inside it!', but once the caseback has come off once, everyone would prefer it to be running as good as a watchmaker can do.
I HAVE seen folks pay extra for 'new old stock, no watchmaker has been inside it!', but once the caseback has come off once, everyone would prefer it to be running as good as a watchmaker can do.
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southtexas
·From 10. It is ok for me. But for you?
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BAJJ
·Did you sell three of your listings for the prices asked?
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerBought for 3120 euro so plenty of room for negotiation. Or perhaps there are still buyers without internet