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Frankenbezel for Speedmaster ?
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sky21
·Not correct, I bought a few years ago from our Australian friends and I know of another collector who also has a few.
Sold to me as Omega manufactured.
Ok, I can't speak about your purchase, all I'm going off of is what I have read on this forum and other places as well. If I'm wrong then I apologize. How about I rephrase as this... Any bezel insert you buy off eBay for around $30 is a fake and will probably not fit correctly. Also, I include a link to a post on this forum by @Archer our resident watchmaker expert stating that Omega does not sell separate bezel inserts. Maybe you found some that had been removed from their steel rings and are authentic, if so then good on you.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/please-dont-pry-your-bezels-off.4845/#post-56557
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watchlovr
·Agreed on both counts, I bought mine several years ago.
When no-one really bothered about them I used to buy cheap, knackered looking Speedies on the bay, change the insert, crystal, polish out the case scratches and sell them on.
99% of the time they never needed servicing and the dials and hands were fine under the knackered crystals.
Lucky I kept the inserts, turns out there were a few DON's there, morale is, never throw anything away!
When no-one really bothered about them I used to buy cheap, knackered looking Speedies on the bay, change the insert, crystal, polish out the case scratches and sell them on.
99% of the time they never needed servicing and the dials and hands were fine under the knackered crystals.
Lucky I kept the inserts, turns out there were a few DON's there, morale is, never throw anything away!
Ok, I can't speak about your purchase, all I'm going off of is what I have read on this forum and other places as well. If I'm wrong then I apologize. How about I rephrase as this... Any bezel insert you buy off eBay for around $30 is a fake and will probably not fit correctly. Also, I include a link to a post on this forum by @Archer our resident watchmaker expert stating that Omega does not sell separate bezel inserts. Maybe you found some that had been removed from their steel rings and are authentic, if so then good on you.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/please-dont-pry-your-bezels-off.4845/#post-56557
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TomGW
·Agreed on both counts, I bought mine several years ago.
When no-one really bothered about them I used to buy cheap, knackered looking Speediest the bay, change the insert, crystal, polish out the case scratches and sell them on.
99% of the time they never needed servicing and the dials and hands were fine under the knackered crystals.
Lucky I kept the inserts, turns out there were a few DON's there, morale is, never throw anything away!
I also agree with sky21's comments on the inserts currently available on eBay. Like Colin (watchlovr) I also bought some of the 1970's inserts from Watchco a few years ago and have absolutely no doubt about their authenticity. They were also available up until fairly recently from another EU based seller and are still illustrated on their website, although out of stock. I believe I bought the last one, as I ordered 3 and got only 1 plus a refund. They actually have what appears, at least to me, to be a genuine NOS SM300 insert, which was also not sold by Omega as a separate item.
For the purposes of clarity, my reference a few posts earlier about a 'prominent eBay seller' was referring to the US based 'wholesaleoutlet990', where he uses a photograph of an authentic 1970's insert to illustrate his item, but what he actually sends out is the ill fitting, horribly wrong insert that was on the Moonphase Speedy (the OP's?) on another thread. Here's a link to his sales post, but he dispatches something totally different.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160850566408?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Edit: The link above show the insert you will actually receive. Below is the correct link for the apparently genuine '70s insert. Apologies for the mistake.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEZEL-INS...237569?hash=item484466de41:g:LxMAAOxyOa9R1YKw
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oddboy
·that image on the ebay ad is not correct. There's no accent on the E, and there's other discrepancies as well.
is that the image of a 'real' insert?
is that the image of a 'real' insert?
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TomGW
·that image on the ebay ad is not correct. There's no accent on the E, and there's other discrepancies as well.
is that the image of a 'real' insert?
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oddboy
·The image on that eBay ad is the '69 - early '80s insert and I haven't spotted anything wrong with it. The point is that he doesn't have it and I don't think he ever had anything remotely close.
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TomGW
·Sorry, my fault, I linked to the wrong one. This is the one I meant:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEZEL-INS...237569?hash=item484466de41:g:LxMAAOxyOa9R1YKw
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEZEL-INS...237569?hash=item484466de41:g:LxMAAOxyOa9R1YKw
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerOk, I can't speak about your purchase, all I'm going off of is what I have read on this forum and other places as well. If I'm wrong then I apologize. How about I rephrase as this... Any bezel insert you buy off eBay for around $30 is a fake and will probably not fit correctly. Also, I include a link to a post on this forum by @Archer our resident watchmaker expert stating that Omega does not sell separate bezel inserts. Maybe you found some that had been removed from their steel rings and are authentic, if so then good on you.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/please-dont-pry-your-bezels-off.4845/#post-56557
Just one caution when reading my comments in the tense of the words I used. I said "Omega does not sell just the inserts" - present tense and that was true when I made that post back in 2013. As you can read later on in 2014 I have confirmed that Omega now sells ceramic inserts separately, so the situation has changed clearly.
Note that in the past, Omega did sell just the inserts for the aluminum bezels for various models (not sure if that included the Speedmaster though) so things change and there could be loose bezels out there from a time when they were for sale as a separate part.
Cheers, Al
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sky21
·Just one caution when reading my comments in the tense of the words I used. I said "Omega does not sell just the inserts" - present tense and that was true when I made that post back in 2013. As you can read later on in 2014 I have confirmed that Omega now sells ceramic inserts separately, so the situation has changed clearly.
Note that in the past, Omega did sell just the inserts for the aluminum bezels for various models (not sure if that included the Speedmaster though) so things change and there could be loose bezels out there from a time when they were for sale as a separate part.
Cheers, Al
Ok, my bad, I don't want to give anybody bad information. So Omega does now sell ceramic bezel inserts, and may or may not have ever sold the Speedmaster pro bezel inserts. I should have been more specific and referenced the OP bezel only as that is all I was attempting to discuss.
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TomGW
·Just one caution when reading my comments in the tense of the words I used. I said "Omega does not sell just the inserts" - present tense and that was true when I made that post back in 2013. As you can read later on in 2014 I have confirmed that Omega now sells ceramic inserts separately, so the situation has changed clearly.
Note that in the past, Omega did sell just the inserts for the aluminum bezels for various models (not sure if that included the Speedmaster though) so things change and there could be loose bezels out there from a time when they were for sale as a separate part.
Cheers, Al
Good point
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Is it also possible that there may have been different practices in different markets and for obscure reasons? For example, I'm conscious that, for the US, import tax rules resulted in lower jewel count movements being used to minimise tax. Weren't gold cases manufactured in destination countries for the same reason, e.g. Dennison in UK? Was that also the reason for having bracelets manufactured in Mexico?
Weird things happened. I'm in the UK and my Dad is in his mid '80s. When he was a youngster his father was a distributor for Raleigh cycles and they bought wheels in component parts to avoid "purchase tax". This resulted in him constantly building wheels in his spare time as a youngster and consequently he can still build and true a wheel in minutes, blindfolded.
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moonphaselover
·Note to readers: This thread is a follow-on to
https://omegaforums.net/threads/fake-speedymoon-on-ebay.38493/
where the whole watch is discussed...........
Scott
https://omegaforums.net/threads/fake-speedymoon-on-ebay.38493/
where the whole watch is discussed...........
Scott
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