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Frankenbezel for Speedmaster ?

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OK......This is my FIRST thread, and I thought
it should be a little "attention getting...."

Here's a Bezel (and I will sort of use the terms
bezel and bezel-insert interchangeably) on a
case available on eBay.

s-l1600.jpg

Using what I think of a current terminology, this would be dot-under-70,
(Under the 6 o'clock "corner" of the 0 in the 70) and dot-next-to-90.
Is that correct ? what years and models would this bezel be correct for ?

Also accent mark over the E
on the Tachymetre
dial above.....


Fratello shows the above,
and mentions dot-next-to-70, (5 o'clock)
and the elusive dot-over 90.

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This Fratello image above, I believe shows dot-next-to-70, and dot-next-to-90 (at like 2 o'clock),
but compare that 70-dot position next to the bezel above, and see that one dot is at about 4,
and the other at about 5. The devils is in the details !


Fratello shows this bezel below:
with the 70 dot at about 3 oclock


Fratello also shows a 70 dot
at about 6 oclock.
 
oddboy
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M moonphaselover
dot-next-to-90.
Is that correct ? what years and models would this bezel be correct for ?
yes, correct.

I think that same Fratello page indicates the years, mid 90s and onwards. it's the modern version and still in use today.
 
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The only Speedmaster of this type I have at this time is this watch:
( much discussed in thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/fake-speedymoon-on-ebay.38493/)

s-l64.jpg

Here's my current question(s):

1) The bezel INSERT seems to be black printed
on a bright metal background, that "stands proud"
above the black color. Is this correct ?
2) Is this correct for Speedmasters ?

3) Did someone OTHER than Omega make
replacement bezels (complete), or the
Bezel inserts,

4) Even if it is refinished, is MY bezel insert
one of the elusive DON or Dot-over-90 inserts ?
 
oddboy
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as far as I can tell, and as pointed out on the other thread, the bezel on your watch is fake. it has both the dot over 90 and the dot below 70. that combination is not correct for any of the known variations and none of the bezels in the Fratello article show this configuration of dots.

time to let it go I think..
 
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Let go......yeah, probably.......

It's just that the bezel insert seems an expensive
"component " to "copy," so why do that rather
than just use an OMEGA part ?

WHO made the "fakes ?"........


oddboy oddboy
as far as I can tell, and as pointed out on the other thread, the bezel on your watch is fake. it has both the dot over 90 and the dot below 70. that combination is not correct for any of the known variations and none of the bezels in the Fratello article show this configuration of dots.

time to let it go I think..
 
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Let go......yeah, probably.......

It's just that the bezel insert seems an expensive
"component " to "copy," so why do that rather
than just use an OMEGA part ?

WHO made the "fakes ?"........

There is no such thing as a bezel insert as a stand-alone part. Omega has never made such a thing. Any bezel insert you see for sale on eBay is not authentic and will not fit correctly on an authentic Speedmaster bezel. Someone probably attempted to repaint a bezel with what they thought were the most sought after characteristics. They got it wrong.
 
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M moonphaselover
It's just that the bezel insert seems an expensive
"component " to "copy," so why do that rather
than just use an OMEGA part ?

A good condition, genuine vintage dot over ninety bezel can add upwards of $2000 in value to a Speedmaster, so it's quite lucrative to fake! However, as we've already established that you acquired this watch in the 1990s, it was probably done by someone who paid some attention to detail, but not a whole lot...
 
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Most of my experience is on other watches that do,
in fact have bezel inserts, so please excuse
my ignorance of Speedy watches....

If the Bezel is in fact one-piece, than the numbers that
appear as bright metal parts on the bezel must be part
of the as-made bezel, and the "paint" is added after.

Can the "dot" over the "90" be moved ?


sky21 sky21
There is no such thing as a bezel insert as a stand-alone part. Omega has never made such a thing. Any bezel insert you see for sale on eBay is not authentic and will not fit correctly on an authentic Speedmaster bezel. Someone probably attempted to repaint a bezel with what they thought were the most sought after characteristics. They got it wrong.
 
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Can the "dot" over the "90" be moved ?

I find this funny, only becuase of all the bezels we have seen where they are trying to make the dot over 90.
 
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oddboy oddboy
as far as I can tell, and as pointed out on the other thread, the bezel on your watch is fake. it has both the dot over 90 and the dot below 70. that combination is not correct for any of the known variations and none of the bezels in the Fratello article show this configuration of dots.

time to let it go I think..
Umm I see dnn not don with dot under 70 with an accent which makes it a current replacement part.


Edit

Never mind your referring to @moonphaselover and his watch. I thought you where referring to the OP. ::apologies::
Edited:
 
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That's a good point.

When did we "discover" that
the dot over 90 "DON"
was collectible ?


QUOTE="Taddyangle, post: 451768, member: 717"]I find this funny, only becuase of all the bezels we have seen where they are

trying to make the dot over 90.[/QUOTE]
 
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M moonphaselover
That's a good point.

When did we "discover" that
the dot over 90 "DON"
was collectible ?


QUOTE="Taddyangle, post: 451768, member: 717"]I find this funny, only becuase of all the bezels we have seen where they are

trying to make the dot over 90.
[/QUOTE]

There's not one answer for that question. When did it become collectible? For guys in the know, probably a long time ago as this style of bezel was the first Speedmaster bezel graduated to 500 and was only produced from 1961-1970. For most people it's probably been recently as the Speedmaster seems to have exploded in mainstream popularity.
 
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Good answer, and that may touch on my point from
the other thread that when this watch was modified,
the concept of the DON bezel would not have been
around to cause anybody to "fake it"
on a relatively worthless watch.....

I wonder when the first mention in
"the literature" of the DON appeared.....



There's not one answer for that question.

When did it become collectible?
For guys in the know, probably a long time ago
as this style of bezel was the first Speedmaster bezel
graduated to 500 and was only produced from 1961-1970.

For most people it's probably been recently as the Speedmaster
seems to have exploded in mainstream popularity.[/QUOTE]
 
sky21
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Good answer, and that may touch on my point from
the other thread that when this watch was modified,
the concept of the DON bezel would not have been
around to cause anybody to "fake it"
on a relatively worthless watch.....

I wonder when the first mention in
"the literature" of the DON appeared.....




There's not one answer for that question.

When did it become collectible?
For guys in the know, probably a long time ago
as this style of bezel was the first Speedmaster bezel
graduated to 500 and was only produced from 1961-1970.

For most people it's probably been recently as the Speedmaster
seems to have exploded in mainstream popularity.
[/QUOTE]

Can't really answer what the forger was thinking on this one either. Maybe there was some reference to a DON bezel back then or maybe he just saw a picture of a real Speedmaster and tried his best to copy it.
 
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Thank you........


Can't really answer what the forger was thinking on this one either. Maybe there was some reference to a DON bezel back then or maybe he just saw a picture of a real Speedmaster and tried his best to copy it.[/QUOTE]
 
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The totally wrong fake insert is what you get when you purchase one from a certain prominent eBay seller, despite the photograph in his sales post being 100% correct for the 1969 - 1980, 'tall text' OEM bezel. It's also marginally too small, both the inner and outer diameter. The source is not a mystery, but that's not apparent until you receive your purchase.
 
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Not correct, I bought a few years ago from our Australian friends and I know of another collector who also has a few.
Sold to me as Omega manufactured.

sky21 sky21
There is no such thing as a bezel insert as a stand-alone part. Omega has never made such a thing. Any bezel insert you see for sale on eBay is not authentic and will not fit correctly on an authentic Speedmaster bezel. Someone probably attempted to repaint a bezel with what they thought were the most sought after characteristics. They got it wrong.
 
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M moonphaselover
Let go......yeah, probably.......

It's just that the bezel insert seems an expensive
"component " to "copy," so why do that rather
than just use an OMEGA part ?

WHO made the "fakes ?"........

Perhaps the bezel insert is from a completely fake speedmaster, there are plenty out there. I would think as a part it would be relatively cheap to make as they sell entire watches for less than a good quality strap. The real question is why they get the detail wrong.
 
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