evil nina chrono hand question

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jhross98

·Feb 7, 2018

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This minty evil nina sold at phillips last fall

What do people here think about the chrono hand ? I have seen versions where the chrono hand does not extend into the lower middle subdial. I was told perhaps this was a replacement chrono hand from a space compax or the like, but others have said this chrono hand is original and correct. I cannot find examples of the longer chrono hand on a regular Nina.

Thoughts ?

I would also note on the Phillips one it says "compax" but on the Fratello one it does not. Is one an earlier version?

https://www.phillips.com/detail/UNIVERSAL/CH080217/151

"regular" chrono

https://www.fratellowatches.com/tbt-universal-geneve-compax-evil-nina/

 

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LouS

·Feb 7, 2018·Mrs Nataf's Other Son

I have always regarded that super long chrono hand as a Space Compax hand. it is true one sees it often on Ninas, but that's my opinion FWIW

 

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bazamu

·Feb 7, 2018

I've seen it enough times now that I have just come to accept it as kosher. That said, it looks very out of place compared to the right-sized chrono hands.

 

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Diabolik

·Feb 7, 2018

That hand is correct for the compax. Earliner nina and evil ninas have shorter hands. I have seen three three different versions of chrono runner hand.

Long with lume
Longer with lume (as shown)
Medico compax which is longer but has no lume.

 

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jhross98

·Feb 7, 2018

so... it is correct? its not correct ?
i am told there were a lot of the longer red chrono hands around. ..the regular sized ones not so much

does anyone have catalogs / advertisements from when the watches were sold originally that would prove the case ?

 

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CajunTiger

·Feb 7, 2018

here are a couple

 

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jhross98

·Feb 7, 2018

Awesome.
These appear to show the regular size chr9no handh..

 

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jhross98

·Feb 8, 2018

so does anyone have proof that the longer chrono hand is correct / original ?
otherwise i'm going with LouS's explanation. .

 

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Diabolik

·Feb 8, 2018

there is no absolute proof. what we see is space compax references with long and short runner hands

and compax references with long chrono runners ...

Service replacements maybe ? perhaps a change of supplier or just a straight forward design change. They both look good on both ....
Unfortunately documentation on later references is scarce.

Another subject to research ...

 

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jhross98

·Feb 8, 2018

hmm. . those two bottom evil ninas have many differences (look at the printing of universal geneve as an example)

the red chrono hands in those photos don't look anything like the red in the space compax. .

i agree the longe red hand just looks incorrect to my eyes but that didn't mean it wasn't used either as a service part or on later models

 

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ELV web

·Feb 8, 2018

jhross98

hmm. . those two bottom evil ninas have many differences (look at the printing of universal geneve as an example)

the red chrono hands in those photos don't look anything like the red in the space compax. .

i agree the longe red hand just looks incorrect to my eyes but that didn't mean it wasn't used either as a service part or on later models

It is early and later version. I would say the evolution of the Nina configuration is something like this

1) earliest execution (1.1 execution), applied logo dial, thin sub hands, cal 130

2) early execution (1.2 execution), same as above but cal 85

3) 2nd gen early (2.1 execution) applied logo dial, baton subhands, cal 85

4) 2nd gen last (2.2 execution) flat logo dial, baton sub hands, cal 85

Edited: Feb 10, 2018

 

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UGNewbie

·May 13, 2018

My research shows there is some suggestion that there are several groupings of serials with long hand, I suspect there are just two types, bit like when we see red chrono hands on 3646 1st exec Autavia or three different style dauphine hands etc (originally people thought some of these were incorrect).

 

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Diabolik

·May 13, 2018

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It is early and later version. I would say the evolution of the Nina configuration is something like this

1) earliest execution (1.1 execution), applied logo dial, thin sub hands, cal 130

2) early execution (1.2 execution), same as above but cal 85

3) 2nd gen early (2.1 execution) applied logo dial, baton subhands, cal 85

4) 2nd gen last (2.2 execution) flat logo dial, baton sub hands, cal 85

There is no clear delineation i am afraid.

I have looked into this on some depth. The earliest execution of the nina was the 22706 and had different hands (dauphin) and dial with applied batons ... The dial is very similar (but not identical) to the 22704.



I have only seen one and I am unsure how many exist ! That in my eyes is the true grail !!

Unfortunately, the dial on the above has been redone but it retains the original applied batons and logo as well as hands....

Catalog image ...

Edited: May 13, 2018