Everyone to help, give comments and help check Omega Constellation

Hoailam · Sep 10, 2020

Tôi là người mới xin chào tất cả mọi người, tôi thành thật xin lỗi vì không thể sử dụng được tiếng Anh, rất mọi người thông cảm. Tôi cần được mọi người nhận xét và đánh giá giúp chiếc Omega Constellation mà tôi mới nhận được khi đấu giá trên Ebay với mức 1200 USD https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-60s-OMEGA-CONSTELLATION-Chronometer-AUTOMATIC-WATCH-561-GOLD-CAPPED-Pie-Pan/274441957038?hash=item3fe603eeae:g:x10AAOSwsvtfGxp5&LH_Auction=1, tôi cũng có vài chiếc đồng hồ, tuy nhiên đây là lần đầu tiên tôi mua một chiếc Constellation . Xin chân thành cảm ơn mọi người ! Đây là vài bức ảnh tôi chụp sau khi nhận được.

WYO_Watch · Sep 10, 2020

“I'm a newcomer to everyone, I sincerely apologize for not being able to use English, I hope everyone understands. I need everyone's comments and reviews to help the Omega Constellation that I just received when I auctioned on Ebay for $ 1200 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-60s-OM...

I also have several watches, however this is my first time buying a Constellation. Thanks to everyone ! Here are some pictures I took after receiving.”

Welcome aboard 👍

JimInOz · Sep 10, 2020

I am the new one to greet everyone, I sincerely apologize for not being able to use English, I hope everyone understands. I need everyone's comments and reviews to help the Omega Constellation that I just received when I auctioned on Ebay for $ 1200.

I also have several watches, however this is my first time buying a Constellation. Thanks to everyone ! Here are some pictures I took after receiving.

JimInOz · Sep 10, 2020

@WYO_Watch beat me to it.

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Hoailam · Sep 10, 2020

JimInOz
@WYO_Watch beat me to it.

👍

I have checked data on Vintage Swiss Watches | OMEGA® everything is true in 1962, but is the bottom cover not the one with the golden observatory logo? Was it replaced? What about the dial?

Peemacgee · Sep 11, 2020

Welcome @Hoailam

Your watch has a replacement rotor ( not an issue) and an incorrect replacement crown. ( not the end of the world. )

The case is quite heavily polished as the lugs have lost their definition.

It is notoriously difficult to assess black dials in photos.
The ‘missing text’ dials are usually seen on earlier dogleg references 14900/14902.
Your watch movt serial (19,43xxx) is on the cusp of the reference change over 1962/63.
It has lume but no Ts on the dial, not usually seen on a 168.005
It could be that you have a ‘transitional watch’

however, if my memory serves me, a gold cap watch should have a gold medallion on the case back.
I notice there was no pic of the inner case back in the listing.
It’s possible that your watch is a 14902 not a 168.005 with a replaced case back.

so there are some questions about the total originality of the watch.

I’ve added a couple of dial pics from the listing.
Others might like to comment on the dial.

Shabbaz · Sep 11, 2020

Goodmorning! Another black dial! Untill now all were redials... 😁 But this one seems ok. I dont see any red flags. The hands made me wonder as well. But is it a 100% rule when there's lume in the hands there should be a T on the dial?

harrymai86 · Sep 11, 2020

The spacing on the applied OMEGA text is very weird.

Peemacgee · Sep 11, 2020

Shabbaz
Goodmorning! Another black dial! Untill now all were redials... 😁 But this one seems ok. I dont see any red flags. The hands made me wonder as well. But is it a 100% rule when there's lume in the hands there should be a T on the dial?

I think the dial looks ok too.

Post ‘63 it’s a rare occurrence that you’ll find a Connie dial with lume on hands and indices without a T.
That’s why I think it may be a ‘pre-T’ 14902 dial (fitting with the missing text).
I think some of these crept into the 168.005s (hence my comment on being transitional) but I still don’t believe the case back belongs to that watch as, whilst Omega had dropped general gold medallions, it should have a gold medallion for a gold cap case.

harrymai86 · Sep 11, 2020

Peemacgee
I think the dial looks ok too.

Post ‘63 it’s a rare occurrence that you’ll find a Connie dial with lume on hands and indices without a T.
That’s why I think it may be a ‘pre-T’ 14902 dial (fitting with the missing text).
I think some of these crept into the 168.005s (hence my comment on being transitional) but I still don’t believe the case back belongs to that watch as, whilst Omega had dropped general gold medallions, it should have a gold medallion for a gold cap case.

Do you think the applied OMEGA text is a bit weird? Very big spacing and I do not see the connecting points between the characters?

Peemacgee · Sep 11, 2020

harrymai86
Do you think the applied OMEGA text is a bit weird? Very big spacing and I do not see the connecting points between the characters?

I think they are there -just painted black
if you look carefully between the O&M and M&E, you can just see the connectors

Hoailam · Sep 11, 2020

Peemacgee
Your watch has a replacement rotor ( not an issue) and an incorrect replacement crown. ( not the end of the world. )

The case is quite heavily polished as the lugs have lost their definition.

It is notoriously difficult to assess black dials in photos.
The ‘missing text’ dials are usually seen on earlier dogleg references 14900/14902.
Your watch movt serial (19,43xxx) is on the cusp of the reference change over 1962/63.
It has lume but no Ts on the dial, not usually seen on a 168.005
It could be that you have a ‘transitional watch’

however, if my memory serves me, a gold cap watch should have a gold medallion on the case back.
I notice there was no pic of the inner case back in the listing.
It’s possible that your watch is a 14902 not a 168.005 with a replaced case back.

so there are some questions about the total originality of the watch.

I’ve added a couple of dial pics from the listing.
Others might like to comment on the dial.

Cảm ơn bạn đã rất chi tiết khi nhận xét giúp tôi, nhận xét của bạn thật tuyệt vời, tôi cũng nghĩ rằng nắp đáy đã bị thay và Rotor là không cùng màu...? Có thể nào màu sắc rotor là do ánh sáng khi chụp ? Nhìn bằng mắt thường thì tôi không nhận ra có sự không đồng nhất, tôi sẽ kiểm tra lại kỹ hơn.

Peemacgee · Sep 11, 2020

Hoailam
Cảm ơn bạn đã rất chi tiết khi nhận xét giúp tôi, nhận xét của bạn thật tuyệt vời, tôi cũng nghĩ rằng nắp đáy đã bị thay và Rotor là không cùng màu...? Có thể nào màu sắc rotor là do ánh sáng khi chụp ? Nhìn bằng mắt thường thì tôi không nhận ra có sự không đồng nhất, tôi sẽ kiểm tra lại kỹ hơn.

Hoailam
This is a global forum with members from the four corners but not many speak Vietnamese. you might like to use google translate for your posts.

Thank you for very detailed when comment for me, your review is awesome, i also think bottom cover has been changed and Rotor is not the same color ...? Could it be that the rotor colors are due to the lighting during shooting? Seeing with the naked eye, I don't notice there is any discrepancy, I will examine it more closely.

You’re welcome.
the rotor is the later version (the centre area is rounded) which came in around the late 60s - hence it must have been replaced but it wouldn’t stop me buying a watch I liked.
Do you have an image of the inner case back?- and a sharp, straight on, close up pic of the dial ?

Hoailam · Sep 11, 2020

Peemacgee
Hoailam
This is a global forum with members from the four corners but not many speak Vietnamese. you might like to use google translate for your posts.

Thank you for very detailed when comment for me, your review is awesome, i also think bottom cover has been changed and Rotor is not the same color ...? Could it be that the rotor colors are due to the lighting during shooting? Seeing with the naked eye, I don't notice there is any discrepancy, I will examine it more closely.

You’re welcome.
the rotor is the later version (the centre area is rounded) which came in around the late 60s - hence it must have been replaced but it wouldn’t stop me buying a watch I liked.
Do you have an image of the inner case back?- and a sharp, straight on, close up pic of the dial ?

Thank you very much, I forgot to take pictures in the bottom cover when removed, I will take it again and send it to you for a closer check, I will try using google translate according to your very accurate suggestions, Thanks very much !

harrymai86 · Sep 11, 2020

Hoailam
Thank you very much, I forgot to take pictures in the bottom cover when removed, I will take it again and send it to you for a closer check, I will try using google translate according to your very accurate suggestions, Thanks very much !

Can you take a close up photo of the dial ?

Hoailam · Sep 11, 2020

[QUOTE = "Peemacgee, post: 1597718, member: 12739"] I think they're there - painted black only if you look closely between O&M and M&E, you can see the

Hoailam · Sep 11, 2020

[QUOTE = "harrymai86, post: 1597842, member: 9816"] Can you get a close-up of the dial? [/ [QUOTE = "harrymai86, post: 1597842, member: 9816"] Can you get a close-up of the dial? [/ QUOTE] It's here you

harrymai86 · Sep 11, 2020

Peemacgee
I think they are there -just painted black
if you look carefully between the O&M and M&E, you can just see the connectors

reallg hard to see with those pictures and also a black date wheel 😲

ConElPueblo · Sep 11, 2020

Missing Ts? Wrong caseback? Weird replacement crown? Bright lume? Black date disc with stark white numerals..? I don't like it.

Maskelyne · Sep 11, 2020

I don´t like it either. I agree on wrong caseback (not gold medallion). It looks like a mischmasch.