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JwRosenthal
·I even recently received a customer satisfaction survey and a 'how can we improve the watch market place' survey.
eBay Authenticators Can Do No Wrong
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timoss
·It will be optional eventually—and come at a cost. My prediction...
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kkt
·I'm glad there was a good outcome, however a good outcome after spending hours fighting over it still sends Ebay watches worth enough to get authenticated to the bottom of my "buy" list.
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sgrossma
·I did too, I wrote they should make the authentication service optional.
I think it has the potential to be a good thing, but being optional would be nice (for specific watches that I don't want going through). When it is required, I would like them to include authenticator notes, if any, and also to list exactly what was done and any relevant findings (watch was opened, movement was loose, noted a screw was missing, etc.). And possibly even a picture or two. It would also be cool if they required time keeping accuracy too.
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sgrossma
·For the seller? Buyer? Either? 😀
At this point there is no intention to add a cost to this service for watches (shoes is a different story). They want a safe marketplace with minimal disputes and returns. Just by saying all watches are authenticated, I bet they scare away a large number of would be criminals.
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Dan S
·At this point there is no intention to add a cost to this service for watches (shoes is a different story). They want a safe marketplace with minimal disputes and returns. Just by saying all watches are authenticated, I bet they scare away a large number of would be criminals.
Understood. I've sold a couple of authenticated watches and fortunately it went smoothly both times. I'm also in agreement with you that eBay will eventually attempt to pass the costs on to someone else and was just interested in your speculation about how that might be done. Would the seller be given the option of authentication at the time of listing? Would the buyer be able to request it after the sale? The first seems more likely to me. Or maybe the seller could choose to offer it as an option for an extra fee? Just spitballing here on a Sunday morning.
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JwRosenthal
·I think it has the potential to be a good thing, but being optional would be nice (for specific watches that I don't want going through). When it is required, I would like them to include authenticator notes, if any, and also to list exactly what was done and any relevant findings (watch was opened, movement was loose, noted a screw was missing, etc.). And possibly even a picture or two. It would also be cool if they required time keeping accuracy too.
Someone buying a 2 year old Hulk is not the same customer (usually) that is buying a 60 year old UG. If they want to run the whole authentication on the Hulk, great. But on the UG, just verify that the watch meets the description (running if described as such, same as pictures, not a rock) and put back in box. I hesitate on time- keeping being punch-list standard because if I knowingly buy a watch that is described as needing service and they fail the watch based on timekeeping and send it back- then that’s a kink in the program.
I say, just verify it is as the listing describes it, that’s all they need to do- at least with older watches.
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Todd Alt
·I have purchased a watch on ebay. It is being sent for authentication. How do I trust the authenticator? How was the authenticator vetted? How do I know the watch will not be tampered with by the authenticator? Will I now have to have my own jeweler check the watch? What do I do if the authenticator keeps some of my watches documentation. How is it a good thing to have another party involved in handling a high end purchase? How is it a good thing to have something shipped twice instead of once? As a buyer, I feel less involved in the process. The seller it seems, is off the hook and I am basically at the mercy of the authenticator. I for one have always felt that the feedback process and communication with the seller gave me confidence or not, enough to buy. Another set of fingerprints on my merchandise does not make me feel any more comfortable.
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Cayohuesovespa
·T Todd AltI have purchased a watch on ebay. It is being sent for authentication. How do I trust the authenticator? How was the authenticator vetted? How do I know the watch will not be tampered with by the authenticator? Will I now have to have my own jeweler check the watch? What do I do if the authenticator keeps some of my watches documentation. How is it a good thing to have another party involved in handling a high end purchase? How is it a good thing to have something shipped twice instead of once? As a buyer, I feel less involved in the process. The seller it seems, is off the hook and I am basically at the mercy of the authenticator. I for one have always felt that the feedback process and communication with the seller gave me confidence or not, enough to buy. Another set of fingerprints on my merchandise does not make me feel any more comfortable.
This is along the lines of where my mind was going!
who are the authenticators? what are their backgrounds? education? experience?
why are they opening the backs? (other than to check the movement obviously)
when they do open the watch, do they guarantee them to be water proof after tampering with a factory sealed and water proofed case back? do they check them for water resistance after opening them?
do they have the case back torque values for every single watch out there?
how about nuances of rare watch case backs?
what if they slip a tool and scratch the watch? are they responsible?
so many questions for this authentication program...
i have bought a few watches on Ebay, and only up to a couple hundred bucks as I would be prepared to take a chance on it.
I understand why this program exists but the story from the OP makes me shudder.
did the authenticator break it, pack it back up and say it was good and off it goes???
ugh,
i am not comfortable with this program. too many shady people that could be involved.
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Todd Alt
·This is along the lines of where my mind was going!
who are the authenticators? what are their backgrounds? education? experience?
why are they opening the backs? (other than to check the movement obviously)
when they do open the watch, do they guarantee them to be water proof after tampering with a factory sealed and water proofed case back? do they check them for water resistance after opening them?
do they have the case back torque values for every single watch out there?
how about nuances of rare watch case backs?
what if they slip a tool and scratch the watch? are they responsible?
so many questions for this authentication program...
i have bought a few watches on Ebay, and only up to a couple hundred bucks as I would be prepared to take a chance on it.
I understand why this program exists but the story from the OP makes me shudder.
did the authenticator break it, pack it back up and say it was good and off it goes???
ugh,
i am not comfortable with this program. too many shady people that could be involved.
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passingtime
·Sounds like government officials with their qualified immunity...Untouchable.
Thanks for sharing this story. Going to make me think twice about buying from eBay now. As if I needed another reason to shy away from that platform.
Thanks for sharing this story. Going to make me think twice about buying from eBay now. As if I needed another reason to shy away from that platform.
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Dan S
·T Todd AltI have purchased a watch on ebay. It is being sent for authentication. How do I trust the authenticator? How was the authenticator vetted? How do I know the watch will not be tampered with by the authenticator? Will I now have to have my own jeweler check the watch? What do I do if the authenticator keeps some of my watches documentation. How is it a good thing to have another party involved in handling a high end purchase? How is it a good thing to have something shipped twice instead of once? As a buyer, I feel less involved in the process. The seller it seems, is off the hook and I am basically at the mercy of the authenticator. I for one have always felt that the feedback process and communication with the seller gave me confidence or not, enough to buy. Another set of fingerprints on my merchandise does not make me feel any more comfortable.
The authenticators are Stoll & Co, in Dayton, Ohio. The time to ask the rest of your questions was before the purchase, since you did not have to make the purchase. Now you have no option.
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wsfarrell
·T Todd AltThe seller it seems, is off the hook and I am basically at the mercy of the authenticator.
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sgrossma
·I'd imagine if your job involves opening 50 watch cases a day, you'd probably get quite good at it.
I think eventually eBay will change the policy about vintage watches and list the check points more clearly.
I've said it before, but most people are fundamentally good and the majority of the time you will be dealing with a seller that will still try to help you and resolve your issues.
I think eventually eBay will change the policy about vintage watches and list the check points more clearly.
I've said it before, but most people are fundamentally good and the majority of the time you will be dealing with a seller that will still try to help you and resolve your issues.
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Anthony Lane
·Currently have a watch that was delivered to an authenticator (Stoll & Co) this morning. After hearing all of these horror stories I'm a bit nervous to be honest. Really hope I don't find any surprises.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerCurrently have a watch that was delivered to an authenticator (Stoll & Co) this morning. After hearing all of these horror stories I'm a bit nervous to be honest. Really hope I don't find any surprises.
The vast majority of these go through just fine. You will always hear about the horror stories, but they are certainly in the minority, so I wouldn't sweat it.
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140dave
·Currently have a watch that was delivered to an authenticator (Stoll & Co) this morning. After hearing all of these horror stories I'm a bit nervous to be honest. Really hope I don't find any surprises.
And on the plus side, now it is on the buyer to decide if they want it or not, they pay the $80 fee if they want. To me this encourages a little more noob buying especially around Christmas. Takes some of the worry out of it for the spouse or whomever is buying the gift.
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Anthony Lane
·The vast majority of these go through just fine. You will always hear about the horror stories, but they are certainly in the minority, so I wouldn't sweat it.
This is exactly what came to mind after I hit 'reply'. Humans have a tendency to take to the internet when things go wrong, and remain silent when things go right.
And on the plus side, now it is on the buyer to decide if they want it or not, they pay the $80 fee if they want.
I'm glad to hear that people have had good experiences. In this scenario I am the buyer. I'll report back horror story or not!
