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  1. Tamages Oct 12, 2017

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    got offered an all original seamster as described by seller...
    but couldn't find any lead to this design of seamster with subsecond..

    appreciate any opinion.
    thanks
     
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  2. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Oct 12, 2017

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    What are the numbers inside the caseback?
     
  3. Tamages Oct 12, 2017

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    C2577-1...but can't seem to find any face design like this...
     
  4. Gordon Heavyfoot Oct 12, 2017

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    A ref 2577 should not have a sub-seconds.
     
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  5. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Oct 12, 2017

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    That reference should house a caliber 351 or 354, these are centre second movements, not sub-seconds.
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  6. Gordon Heavyfoot Oct 12, 2017

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    Looks like maybe a ref 2576 to me.
     
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  7. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Oct 12, 2017

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    I think Gordon may be right.
    What's the caliber marking under the balance wheel?
     
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  8. Tamages Oct 12, 2017

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    Cal 354
     
  9. padders Oooo subtitles! Oct 13, 2017

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  10. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Oct 13, 2017

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  11. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Oct 13, 2017

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    Looks like a later service dial.

    Sub-seconds movement would be cal 342 with lever regulator as seen on OPs watch or 344 with swans neck.
     
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  12. Tamages Oct 13, 2017

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    Edited Oct 13, 2017
  13. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Oct 13, 2017

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    SC is for Centre Seconds. PC is for Small Seconds (Sub-seconds).
     
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  14. buddman Jan 18, 2019

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    Sorry to pick up an old thread, but Ive come across another C2577-11SC that has a subsecond. Its contains a cal 344. Do I assume a donor dial and movement in a 2577 case? Case lugs look quite chunky for a 2577 case... Thoughts?
     
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  15. François Pépin Jan 18, 2019

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    Sorry to correct you Jim: SC is indeed for central second (seconde centrale in French), but PC is for shock protection (protection contre les chocs in French). There is no abbreviation for sub second: there is simply nothing written as far as the second hand is concerned.
     
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  16. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Jan 18, 2019

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    My apologies François, and to all others who may or may not have noticed this typographical error (that means "stuff up").

    While the simple substitution of a another letter in formal diplomatic, government or even court documents, may have severe ramifications, it is nothing, and I really mean NOTHING, compared to the confusion that it may cause on Omega Forums.

    Therefore! To clarify, SC is indeed for central second (seconde centrale in French), and PS, repeat PS and not PC, is the notation for Small Seconds.

    I gather that this is again derived from the French language, i.e.: PS = Petit Second.

    Meilleures Salutations

    Jim
     
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  17. François Pépin Jan 18, 2019

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    I guess PS would indeed mean petite seconde (the French for small second, which means sub second). But I aknowledge I have never seen that on a case back. Jim, do you have an example? Or is it only for reference elsewhere that the case back?
     
  18. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Jan 18, 2019

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    I have never seen it in a caseback, but it's a descriptor in Omega's caliber references, e.g.: AJTT PP 791.
     
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  19. seekingseaquest Jan 18, 2019

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    I’m not sure how to confirm, but it could be a 2576 case with a 2577 case back?

    More pics of that dial?
     
  20. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jan 18, 2019

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    Yes, because there is no difference between Ref. 2576 and Ref. 2577 cases except for the case back.
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