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Does this 145012 have the typical « ultraman » satin finish?

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Hi all!
I’ve come across this alleged 145012 « ultraman ». The serial falls in the good range and I think it looks quite nice but, as I never held one in the steel, I was wondering if the dial had the satin finish often found on this reference? I would think so but would appreciate more experiences opinions 😀
Thanks!

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It’s hard to be sure without holding in hand (and if you’re not familiar with them, then comparing with a regular example,) but from the photos it does look like the ‘satin’ finish dial.
 
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Agree. If I had to call it, I’d say that was a satin dial
 
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Thanks! That was my feeling too from looking at pictures despite never having held one in hand. 😀
 
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546 posts and no Avatar? Try harder.
 
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lol he has one now…
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i never felt the need to choose a random pic to define me, I never saw what a difference it would make. But if it is so important that it deserves that kind of comment, I can make an effort 😁
 
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i never felt the need to choose a random pic to define me, I never saw what a difference it would make. But if it is so important that it deserves that kind of comment, I can make an effort 😁
And you chose wisely. Bravo.

ps I think it does look silky and dark black but I’d be very careful buying one of those and paying a premium.
 
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padders padders
And you chose wisely. Bravo.

ps I think it does look silky and dark black but I’d be very careful buying one of those and paying a premium.


You’re right, I would not pay what dealers ask for those. And with extracts impossible to get these days.
But I wonder : right dial, right serial range and right orange hand…Might be worth the leap of faith!

I always wondered by the way, when the Omega archives got a request, did they really have the info in their file that this particular serial was originally with an orange hand or did they just figure that if a 145.012-67 with the right serial range was shown with an orange hand, they would just add it on their extract…?
 
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You’re right, I would not pay what dealers ask for those. And with extracts impossible to get these days.
But I wonder : right dial, right serial range and right orange hand…Might be worth the leap of faith!

I always wondered by the way, when the Omega archives got a request, did they really have the info in their file that this particular serial was originally with an orange hand or did they just figure that if a 145.012-67 with the right serial range was shown with an orange hand, they would just add it on their extract…?

Million dollar question
 
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I always wondered by the way, when the Omega archives got a request, did they really have the info in their file that this particular serial was originally with an orange hand
No.
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did they just figure that if a 145.012-67 with the right serial range was shown with an orange hand, they would just add it on their extract
Yes.
 
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ndgal ndgal
No.

Yes.

pretty much this but depended on the time period as to how exactly it would denote an Ultraman and what burden of proof they had at the time.
 
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And how about the converse- if there is an extract and serial number is in range and extract makes no mention of the orange sweep- does that exclude possibility that watch is true UM? Saw one of these recently on Chrono24.
 
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ndgal ndgal
No.

Yes.

No - but the real answer is not reassuring.

The actual process is that when an Ultraman was offered for an extract, the staff went into the archives and looked at the punch card. This card has a column headed Special Equipment. If there was a hole, (a positive indication) and if the photo showed the right length hand, they would give a positive Ultraman note on the extract.

The thing is, this is the same process that a Black Racing Dial extract is derived from, that little hole in the punch card.

I think all these special 145.012's were an attempt to ignite interest in a flagging product.

Finally, it is my opinion that the Silky Dial is not a prerequisite for an original UM. Perhaps some will pay more (all other things equal) for a silky dial, but a UM at the right price without a silky finish will not stop me buying it. I dont believe that they all had silky dials from new.
 
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No - but the real answer is not reassuring.

The actual process is that when an Ultraman was offered for an extract, the staff went into the archives and looked at the punch card. This card has a column headed Special Equipment. If there was a hole, (a positive indication) and if the photo showed the right length hand, they would give a positive Ultraman note on the extract.

The thing is, this is the same process that a Black Racing Dial extract is derived from, that little hole in the punch card.

I think all these special 145.012's were an attempt to ignite interest in a flagging product.

Finally, it is my opinion that the Silky Dial is not a prerequisite for an original UM. Perhaps some will pay more (all other things equal) for a silky dial, but a UM at the right price without a silky finish will not stop me buying it. I dont believe that they all had silky dials from new.

thanks for your highly praised opinion! 😀

on the other hand, would you say that the right serial range, the silky dial and the right hand length would be enough to trust it is an original UM although no extract is available?
 
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on the other hand, would you say that the right serial range, the silky dial and the right hand length would be enough to trust it is an original UM although no extract is available?
"Trust" is a strong word, but I would say that all three of those elements, plus strong provenance and an overall honest feel to the watch, would definitely increase my confidence that it's legit. Of course, it's not clear that extracts will indicate the orange hand in the future, so you may need to resign yourself to having some uncertainty indefinitely.
 
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Ok!
More on this watch! 😁

serial in the right range (26078xxx) check
Silky dial. Check
Orange hand that reaches the outer part of the minute hashes. Check

no extract but I decided to take the leap of faith 😁
And it’s gorgeous in person!

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I still have that little tool , that was used to make the holes in the ancient Punchcards .... 2 seconds do the trick.
 
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Tried to take some compared pictures of that « silky » dial next to my 105.012. Not so easy to capture, but the difference is clearly visible in hand 😀
I wonder what they did differently…Is it just the varnish or the whole paint?

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