Does Anyone Know How Many Straight Writing Speedmasters Were Produced?

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MWO does not make that type distinction, just shows 3 different fonts for the SWA11 - 3 producers or the engraving tool broke down at least 2 times ? so i am not in favor of calling it MK1, 2 or 3.

Your movement number is a 1970 production but delivery in 1970 or 1971 ? Either would not be with an SW caseback. MWO writes "deliveries were postponed waiting for NASA permission for using their name" and production of these caseback is mentioned as 1971. It could be your watch was delivered later and Omega made use of whatever was lying around still and then the 220 bezel would be a left over one in 1972 when the SW caseback was mounted ?
So for me the 220 bezel is not the coincidence here ( in line with the movement nr ), but the caseback is.

You have an anomaly, and an attractive one !, but it is not the most logical combination of parts.
I'd agree that it's premature to label these as Mark 1, 2 and 3. There's just too little evidence right know. In my mind, it's reasonable to form a hypothesis that there may have been earlier productions or even different batches. But that needs more evidence. Often the reality is different than what at first it seems.

In my own opinion, it is unusual but not impossible that this watch came from Omega like this. The 1969 gold speedmasters were delivered to the astronauts on Nov 25th, 1969. There's enough time between then and October, 1970 to make a steel case back version.

The Japan World Exposition, or Expo '70, which was held in Osaka from March 15 to September 3, 1970, featured a moon rock brought back by Apollo 12 astronauts as a major exhibit. This was possibly a catylst for the Japanese Omega distributor to order SWA11 steel watches. Some timelines are tight but not impossible.

The primary question for me seems to be which came first, did Omega decide to make a few steel SWA11 on their own and deliver them to Argentina and Switzerland, or did the Japanese distributor give Omega the idea to create these? It's possible that Omega made a few, and then made more for the Japanese market using a different font. (Why different fonts? Were there different suppliers?)

So far for me, it's possible that there might be batches that were distributed in sequence, but it's still conjecture at this point, waiting on more data.
 
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So far for me, it's possible that there might be batches that were distributed in sequence, but it's still conjecture at this point, waiting on more data.
All fair points, and more timeline scenarios are possible.
 
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I'd agree that it's premature to label these as Mark 1, 2 and 3. There's just too little evidence right know. In my mind, it's reasonable to form a hypothesis that there may have been earlier productions or even different batches. But that needs more evidence. Often the reality is different than what at first it seems.

In my own opinion, it is unusual but not impossible that this watch came from Omega like this. The 1969 gold speedmasters were delivered to the astronauts on Nov 25th, 1969. There's enough time between then and October, 1970 to make a steel case back version.

The Japan World Exposition, or Expo '70, which was held in Osaka from March 15 to September 3, 1970, featured a moon rock brought back by Apollo 12 astronauts as a major exhibit. This was possibly a catylst for the Japanese Omega distributor to order SWA11 steel watches. Some timelines are tight but not impossible.

The primary question for me seems to be which came first, did Omega decide to make a few steel SWA11 on their own and deliver them to Argentina and Switzerland, or did the Japanese distributor give Omega the idea to create these? It's possible that Omega made a few, and then made more for the Japanese market using a different font. (Why different fonts? Were there different suppliers?)

So far for me, it's possible that there might be batches that were distributed in sequence, but it's still conjecture at this point, waiting on more data.
The MK-distinction was my idea, as I did some quite extensive research over the last couple of years and found out that

a) three different font versions of the SWA11 casebacks (as documented in the MWO-book) exist
b) three watches with pointed „A“ casebacks surfaced, all delivered in 1970 (two of them to Argentina, one to Switzerland)
c) all other watches, which were mainly delivered to Japan from 1971 onwards hat flat or semi-flat „A“ fonts

So please, blame me for the MK-1,2,3 classification, I adopted this method from the Rolex vintage world, where this is quite common for models, inlays, dials, casebacks et al and also derives from empirical findings over many many years. It certainly is a probably premature classification, but the good thing is, that it can be a catalysator for further discussions and hopefully more findings where we can all learn from and at some point verify or dismiss a hypothesis.


MWO does not make that type distinction, just shows 3 different fonts for the SWA11 - 3 producers or the engraving tool broke down at least 2 times ? so i am not in favor of calling it MK1, 2 or 3.

Your movement number is a 1970 production but delivery in 1970 or 1971 ? Either would not be with an SW caseback. MWO writes "deliveries were postponed waiting for NASA permission for using their name" and production of these caseback is mentioned as 1971. It could be your watch was delivered later and Omega made use of whatever was lying around still and then the 220 bezel would be a left over one in 1972 when the SW caseback was mounted ?
So for me the 220 bezel is not the coincidence here ( in line with the movement nr ), but the caseback is.

You have an anomaly, and an attractive one !, but it is not the most logical combination of parts.

Production of my watch was in 1970, as documented here and in another thread and testified by my extract (see above). As usual, The delivery date is not mentioned, but likely also 1970. As you probably recon, there is no reference to „NASA“ in the SWA11 casebacks and therefore the postponement due to NASA restrictions can only be assumed to have affected the later produced SW casebacks without Apollo XI inscription, but with NASA-reference. Your MWO-book quote can basically be interpreted in this sense. Besides, also the gold SWA11 watches were delivered pre 1971.

Happy to have this discussion here and eager to learn more!
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Assume all you want but with just 3 ? examples we are nowhere near anything conclusive or classifiable other then ; anomaly. Lets leave this to professionals like MWO - that already lists the 3 versions - and be careful with comparing your research with the body of work they have done.
 
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Assume all you want but with just 3 ? examples we are nowhere near anything conclusive or classifiable other then ; anomaly. Lets leave this to professionals like MWO - that already lists the 3 versions - and be careful with comparing your research with the body of work they have done.
I am not comparing my research with the work the writers of MWO-book have done, as I view this book as the best and most comprehensive book ever to have been released with regard to the Speedmaster story. But, in all honesty, what do you think how the many findings, verifications, falsifications, in short, a big part of what we now know about the vintage watch world these days would have been possible without the contributions of watch collectors and watch nerds all over the place?

What I do not like are unrespectful comments like yours, which do not help a fruitful discussion but instead try to kill it. If you want to contribute to an interesting discussion, please be so kind as to post useful comments that help to research and dig deeper into a topic like most of the folks here.
 
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Just for clarification, and for those who haven‘t seen what I wrote in another thread with a similar topic:

I bought my watch about ten years ago from a well respected dealer who used to live in Argentina and acquired it there. As the watch was produced in October 1970 and subsequently delivered to Argentina, I have every reason to believe that it never left the country before it was exported to Europe in 2015. On top, the serial number fits perfectly into the short period in autumn 1970, where Omega mounted the faulty 220 bezels.

The SWA11 caseback puzzled me, as common knowledge at that time was (and probably still is), that those casebacks were meant for the japanese market and came later (from 1971 onwards). I questioned however, why anybody would swap a caseback in Argentina back in those old days, where basically nobody was interested in such nerdy details and prices for Speedys were nowhere near „interesting“ levels.

My curiosity intensified when I found a couple of very interesting discussions in this forum on this topic and the findings of other pre-1971 SWA11 Speedys, so I posted my watch here. My intention is to help getting more evidence and a clearer picture of what could have happened in those days and find some more pieces to this puzzle.

Besides that, I love my old and well worn Speedy and don‘t bother if the caseback came with it originally or later. 😉
 
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If you want to contribute to an interesting discussion,
How about you read this thread and count my posts ?

as I did some quite extensive research over the last couple of years and found out that

a) three different font versions of the SWA11 casebacks (as documented in the MWO-book) exist
I wonder how you missed this thread then in your extensive search ? and how you claim you found something that was already in MWO ?

without the contributions of watch collectors and watch nerds
What is this thread then, Sesame Street?
What I do not like are unrespectful comments like yours,
What you mean is ; not in line with your own assumptions.

Besides that, I love my old and well worn Speedy and don‘t bother if the caseback came with it originally or later. 😉

I fully agree and i hope you enjoy it for many years to come, but please forgive me if i find your self promoting propaganda a little to much in several online threads. And if by chance you may be on to something i look forward to see your contribution in the next version of MWO. Have you contacted Marquie and Rossler already ?
 
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And a very nice A11 with the early number 29'6009xx and a DON bezel. It is scary close to the earlier posted one from dr Crott so it could be the same watch ? With the Wako Japan one it is the 2nd one with DON bezel.

 
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I wonder how you missed this thread then in your extensive search ? and how you claim you found something that was already in MWO ?
This thread started long after I first researched the topic, and I am not a very frequent user of this forum (except last couple of days, where I stumbled over this thread). And I didn’t claim anything, but said „as documented in the MWO-book“. Please read carefully!

What you mean is ; not in line with your own assumptions.
Again. I have no intention whatsoever of selling or promoting my watch, I just want to get a clearer picture how things could have evolved back then!.

Have you contacted Marquie and Rossler already ?
Indeed I contacted Grégoire a couple of years ago. By then, no other earlier than 1971 examples of SWA11 have surfaced or were known, so his assumption was that the caseback probably has been swapped later. It was not until the latest findings of earlier cb‘s here that my curiosity arose again.
 
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And a very nice A11 with the early number 29'6009xx and a DON bezel. It is scary close to the earlier posted one from dr Crott so it could be the same watch ? With the Wako Japan one it is the 2nd one with DON bezel.


So that‘s another earlier one then? 🤔
 
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So that‘s another earlier one then? 🤔
Correct, but it is the same watch as the one from Dr Crott auction last year if i compare pictures of the bezel damage, but now without the 1116 bracelet and the caseback aged dramatically in the last year. All the black paint is now gone.....



Indeed I contacted Grégoire a couple of years ago.
excellent, and if we/they find more exeptions to the rule i am sure they will work it into the new MWO version. Less then 5% chance of a coincidence makes it a pattern in statistics i believe, so we need a few more examples if the batch for Japan was 100 ( Davidoff ) or 300 total all versions.
 
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Here is another very early one with mov.nr. 28426774. The guy unfortunately sold it and has no pics of the extract, but told me, that he remembered it being delivered to Spain originally. Didn‘t show it here before as I could not verify it, but probably it pops up somewhere 🤷‍♂️

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I think thisx316Xxxxxx is new. It appears to be the "most" rare.

 
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Here is another very early one with mov.nr. 28426774. The guy unfortunately sold it and has no pics of the extract, but told me, that he remembered it being delivered to Spain originally. Didn‘t show it here before as I could not verify it, but probably it pops up somewhere 🤷‍♂️

even on the gold versions 145.022-69 BA the engraving is not very refined imo, the other version look like better quality work to me. Maybe they also tried a first run on steel before doing the 18K one s ? The movement nr needs the extract to date it as it is early indeed, so maybe another example of "use what is still in stock".

I think thisx316Xxxxxx is new. It appears to be the "most" rare.
New to me also, and you mean rare as it is the Japanese version ? I think i have seen less examples of the more rounded/bold letters version above myself, but i havent counted. Going back to the OP original question ; for an estimated 100 - 300 pieces production they sure do show up frequently. And with a 1014 pieces of the gold version wouldnt there be even more in steel ?
 
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New to me also, and you mean rare as it is the Japanese version ?

Bad joke. Seller describes it 'very rare (rarissimo)"
 
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even on the gold versions 145.022-69 BA the engraving is not very refined imo, the other version look like better quality work to me. Maybe they also tried a first run on steel before doing the 18K one s ? The movement nr needs the extract to date it as it is early indeed, so maybe another example of "use what is still in stock".
Could well be! Interestingly, all of the early numbers (pre 31 mio.) that I have seen so far have the pointed „A“ fonts that look similar to the gold version, so probably they had an early production run for those and changed the design for the later „japanese batch“.