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Definition of pre-moon Speedmaster
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cosma
·Thanks for your informations.
Price includes bracelet or not?
Price includes bracelet or not?
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cosma
·Sometimes
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cosma
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RonJ
·I'm no expert but it appears your Movement Number starts with "316" which would be one of the later 145022-69-ST watches.
Your watch was probably made in the first half of 1971.
This is compatible with the DN90 bezel and painted-on white Omega logo on the top of watch dial.
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Your watch was probably made in the first half of 1971.
This is compatible with the DN90 bezel and painted-on white Omega logo on the top of watch dial.
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Marsimaxam
·A man is found in the desert, dead. In his hand is half a match. How did he get there, and how did he die?
Answer:
The man was flying over the desert with a group of other balloonists, something goes wrong with the balloon. The men start to throw all the excess weight over the side, but, it's not enough, so they draw straws, or in this case matches. The man, who was found dead in the desert, drew the shortest match and he jumped out of the balloon to save the others.
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Marsimaxam
·The main difference being that here we have virtually complete agreement, whereas no two people agree on what constitutes vintage.
"Watches and pocket watches from before 1900 are considered antique. A watch is vintage when it's over 50 years old but less than 100 years."
Takes care of that issue, now back to the pre-moon problem.
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Dan S
·What, two people can't agree on what constitutes vintage? It's written on, like, the 3rd page in the watch collector book...I quote,
"Watches and pocket watches from before 1900 are considered antique. A watch is vintage when it's over 50 years old but less than 100 years."
Takes care of that issue, now back to the pre-moon problem.
Thanks for that, it has been a thorn in my side for a long time.
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wagudc
·The word "premoon" is imprecise. There are really two possible reasonable interpretations: "premoon caseback," i.e., before the moon was mentioned on the caseback, or "premoon landing," i.e. made before the moon landing. On its own "premoon" to me means before the existence of the moon. In which case no watch is premoon.
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Marsimaxam
·The word "premoon" is imprecise. There are really two possible reasonable interpretations: "premoon caseback," i.e., before the moon was mentioned on the caseback, or "premoon landing," i.e. made before the moon landing. On its own "premoon" to me means before the existence of the moon. In which case no watch is premoon.
Can't we just get along.
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Dan S
·Let's all agree to keep it simple and agree, any Speedmaster manufactured prior to the moon landing, 7/20/1969, is a pre-moon Speedmaster.
Somehow I don't think you're going to get a lot of support. We are taking about whether a particular model is a pre-moon model, not whether an individual watch is pre-moon.
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Marsimaxam
·Somehow I don't think you're going to get a lot of support. We are taking about whether a particular model is a pre-moon model, not whether an individual watch is pre-moon.
Take Care Dan S
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wagudc
·As I constantly tell my kids... you are being too literal. In so many things in this world, we don't say the whole expression, we leave out a word or two, for example: "Levi's", but what we really mean is "Levi's Jeans", or maybe, in sports, "The Sox played great yesterday". but what we really meant was that the Boston Red Sox's had a good game. Let's all agree to keep it simple and agree, any Speedmaster manufactured prior to the moon landing, 7/20/1969, is a pre-moon Speedmaster. And screw the freaking caseback, no pun intended.
Can't we just get along.
In both the examples you give there is a well established underlying phrase associated with the shortened version. The problem with premoon is the underlying meaning is unclear. Otherwise this thread would not exist. As a mathematician I prefer precise language.
Also, @Dan S is clearly correct. 😝
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Marsimaxam
·In both the examples you give there is a well established underlying phrase associated with the shortened version. The problem with premoon is the underlying meaning is unclear. Otherwise this thread would not exist. As a mathematician I prefer precise language.
Also, @Dan S is clearly correct. 😝
Dan S is correct.
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jsducote
·As if it matters to anyone else, as a lay-person, premoon to me means any individual unit, regardless of model, which could have been on the first mission to the moon. Premoon, as in, built prior to men walking on the moon. If it was manufactured on or before July 15, 1969 (and overnighted to the Cape, lol) then I see it as premoon.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder"Moon Watch" and "Pre Moon Watch"
Refers to what is on the back of the case. Not the date of issue, nor what that reference did, or didn't do.
If the back of the case has the word "moon" on it, it's a Moon Watch.
If it does not, then it is a Pre Moon Watch.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the date of production, rather it depends on what is written, or not, on the back.
While this division may not be historically accurate, it allows people to immediately recognise what type of case they are talking about.
Any other attempt to define this division, such as date of production, while possibly easy to apply, would not give useful information for collectors talking between themselves.
Tell me you have a moon watch, I know it has commemorative engraving, using the above definition.
If you use the date method to define, then I won't know if a Moon watch has a smooth back or a commemorative back.
Refers to what is on the back of the case. Not the date of issue, nor what that reference did, or didn't do.
If the back of the case has the word "moon" on it, it's a Moon Watch.
If it does not, then it is a Pre Moon Watch.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the date of production, rather it depends on what is written, or not, on the back.
While this division may not be historically accurate, it allows people to immediately recognise what type of case they are talking about.
Any other attempt to define this division, such as date of production, while possibly easy to apply, would not give useful information for collectors talking between themselves.
Tell me you have a moon watch, I know it has commemorative engraving, using the above definition.
If you use the date method to define, then I won't know if a Moon watch has a smooth back or a commemorative back.
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SpeedyPhill
·Speedmaster101 mentioned: They are not waterproof. No swimming in space.
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It looks like PreMoon Speedies might have been more waterproof than modern ones 😁
As there's an interesting 1964 LIFE magazine article with half-a-dozen photos showing Walter "Wally" Schirra taking his personal Omega Speedmaster CK2998 chronograph for a swim & dive in his personal pool... Schirra was a US Navy test pilot after all.
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It looks like PreMoon Speedies might have been more waterproof than modern ones 😁
As there's an interesting 1964 LIFE magazine article with half-a-dozen photos showing Walter "Wally" Schirra taking his personal Omega Speedmaster CK2998 chronograph for a swim & dive in his personal pool... Schirra was a US Navy test pilot after all.
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