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Cross hair dial on Constellation Chronometer means a redial...right?

  1. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    I looked online and it seems the Constellation chronometer non-date models came with cross hair dials but the only date models that had cross hair dials were obvious redials.

    I believe this one is a redial, but I might be wrong and I'm hoping more experienced collectors here can share their thoughts.

    Sorry for the poor picture:

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  2. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Nov 13, 2018

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    Some cal. 561/4 pie-pans had cross-hair dials. However, the picture is so poor, I can’t be sure if that is one of them.
    gatorcpa
     
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  3. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    Interesting gatorcpa because this one has a cal. 564. I better do some more research. This is the only other pic:

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  4. tictic Nov 13, 2018

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    Hard to tell without better resolution pic.
    However the crown is wrong, and the crab lug case has been VERY polished from this pic.
     
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  5. Noddyman Nov 13, 2018

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    Defo need better pics, ....gut feeling says it looks legit.
    If cal. 564 it should be a ref 168.005. Also lume on dial/hands so it should have at least one T next to Swiss Made.
    Looks a little too polished for my liking.
     
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  6. Shabbaz Nov 13, 2018

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    Very blurry pictures but it would'nt surprise me if the dial is legit. N's looks ok, moy ok, minute markers ok, font ok, distance between e and l in constellation looks ok, hands not too long. But indeed better pics are necessary... What was it with the crosshair and how long it should be? I forgot.
     
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  7. Noddyman Nov 13, 2018

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    Should not extend beyond markers on pie pan, extends to edge on dome dials.
     
  8. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    Thanks for your input tictic, Noddyman, (thanks for the ref #,) and Shabbaz.

    The lugs definitely have been a little too close to a buffing wheel, but not nearly as bad as others I've seen, at least going by the pics.

    The hands have faded lume but no T on dial near Swiss or Made.
     
  9. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    Forgot the case back pic, for what it's worth:

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  10. Shabbaz Nov 13, 2018

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    Again.. the T problem... cal 564 starting from 1966? T regulation from 1964. Is there lume on the dial and hands? Are there lume notches? If so, why no T next to swiss made? I'm on my phone right now and getting blind..
     
  11. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    Sorry for the poor pics, that's the best the seller could send me. I've bought from this seller before so I don't believe he's trying to hide anything, just someone who isn't good with pics.

    Anywho, yeah the lack of T is concerning with the hands having lume.
     
  12. Noddyman Nov 13, 2018

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    Going off what I've seen the earliest 564's start around 24 mil range so as @Shabbaz says around 1966, - you would expect a single T at least.
     
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  13. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Nov 13, 2018

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    I have seen lots of nice dials married to 564s. If the dial is original with no T, I would not be surprised.
     
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  14. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    I've expanded the pic as much as I could on my computer and aside from getting blurrier, all I can see is SWISS MADE. I've had older Omegas with lumed hands and no T but again, those were older models not 60s models. I've contacted the seller but haven't heard back yet.
     
  15. Noddyman Nov 13, 2018

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    Do you mean original dial but franken because wrong movement?
     
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  16. Shabbaz Nov 13, 2018

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    So dial and movement had former lovers...
     
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  17. Shabbaz Nov 13, 2018

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    I see a divorce coming up...
     
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  18. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Nov 13, 2018

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    People do crazy things on these, they up grade 561 to 564 to use easier, they bring it to a redialer to add a crosshair, they change the lumed markers to onyx markers etc...
    Clear photos are needed for sure.

    NB. Personally, I 'feel' this one is a redial.
     
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  19. WhatYourWatchSay Nov 13, 2018

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    It's sold. I wonder if this thread helped with the sale :cool:

    Edited to add: The seller never did say if the dial had a T.
     
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  20. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Nov 13, 2018

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    Maybe yes and maybe no.

    I think you are better off without it. Looked like a potential money pit from the cosmetics shown.
    gatorcpa
     
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