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Hi all, since I bought a modern speedmaster 2 years ago I started reading about watches and I wanted to buy another watch, my grail watch would be a Patek 3940 (everybody should have a dream right? 😉, another watch I like is the Seamaster Trilogy version.
Yesterday I've seen this 1950 Cosmic Triple Date in a small Italian watch store and I got interested in it so I read as much as I could find.
I have a few questions about it.
  • Because it is a Seamaster Cosmic Triple Date the chances of it being redialed are almost 100%, the thing is I don't see it. Also, I haven't found this dial variation online. The helpful but not very knowledgeable lady in the shop said it's not a redial.
  • In the store they told me it has been serviced by omega about 5 years ago but they don't have any proof. The watch glass doesn't have an omega logo engraved in it. Doesn't make sense right? They also say they've serviced it themselves 1 year ago.
  • It looks like the crown is not original for this watch although it is an omega crown.
  • There is an omega buckle on the strap. Is this time correct?
  • And than the most important thing. Asking price is 3500€. Would you pay this for a cosmic triple date, let alone this watch? By coincidence they also had a 1 year old Seamaster trilogy with box and papers for 6k, says something about their pricing I think.

While you're reading this post I'll keep on reading about the watch and educate myself 😀

Sources I used are this forum, the fratello article and chrono24.
Thanks!

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The dial looks good to me at first glance. Shame about the scratch, but as you mentioned, these are quite difficult to find in original condition and the overall look is very appealing. The price isn't out of bounds in general, although the case seems like it might be a bit soft (hard to tell from the photos).
 
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Hello,original dial,but missing the reference on the case back...strange..
 
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Omega world Omega world
Hello,original dial,but missing the reference on the case back...strange..

FAB SWISS suggests to me that it might be a locally-cased watch.
 
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FAB SWISS suggests to me that it might be a locally-cased watch.
Yes,I agree,National case...
 
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Yes,I agree,National case...
Might that be the reason the reference number is on the case back is missing? And what does locally cased watch mean? The mechanics I side are Swiss and the case is Italian?
 
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Historically, some Omega watches were shipped un-cased to various countries where they were assembled into locally manufactured cases. This may have been in order to avoid certain import duties. Often, those watches did not have standard Omega reference numbers. Dennison-cased Omegas in the UK are a prominent example. I know nothing about Italian-cased Omega watches, that is new to me, but I'm sure there are experts on the forum who can comment.
 
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Historically, some Omega watches were shipped un-cased to various countries where they were assembled into locally manufactured cases. This may have been in order to avoid certain import duties. Often, those watches did not have standard Omega reference numbers. Dennison-cased Omegas in the UK are a prominent example. I know nothing about Italian-cased Omega watches, that is new to me, but I'm sure there are experts on the forum who can comment.

Definitely an Italian cased piece here’s the case back from my 320 has An Italian gold hallmark and papers for being sold in Rome



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Thanks for the help so far!
What do you guys think about the service story?
 
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What do you guys think about the service story?

I would take it with a grain of salt, since it's not verifiable.
 
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Thanks for the help so far!
What do you guys think about the service story?

€3500 that’s over £3000 while I don’t think it’s overpriced for what looks to be an original dial
Bearing in mind you are buying effectively from a dealer I would try to get them to service the watch as part of the deal
Got to be worth a try
 
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Might that be the reason the reference number is on the case back is missing? And what does locally cased watch mean? The mechanics I side are Swiss and the case is Italian?

No, it is not an Italian case - it is Swiss made
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Definitely an Italian cased piece here’s the case back from my 320 has An Italian gold hallmark and papers for being sold in Rome



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What are you telling here? I can´t see any Italian gold mark... the hallmark is the correct Swiss hallmark for 18K gold.
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There is quite some strange speculation in this thread about the origin of the case.

The case is definitely a swiss made case.

There are Swiss gold hallmarks (head + 750) and the hallmark with hammer head for the casemaker.
The number 132 in the hammer head indicates the casemaker Eric Monnier from La Chaux-de-Fonds (Switzerland), registered 21.07.1934

The lack of a reference number is quite common on (gold) watches of this era and is absolutely no reason for concern nor a proof for a non Swiss case production.

However the only 6 digit case serial# is the uncommon feature on this watch but is sometimes seen on original Swiss cased watches from the 50ies (i.e. Constellations, Seamasters,..).
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Definitely an Italian cased piece here’s the case back from my 320 has An Italian gold hallmark and papers for being sold in Rome



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This case is also Swiss made by the casemaker Jung & Cie La Chaux-de-Fonds, registered 21.07.1934, indicated by the number 128 in the hammer head hallmark for the casemaker.

And it has all correct Swiss gold hallmarks.
 
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mac_omega mac_omega
There is quite some strange speculation in this thread about the origin of the case.

The case is definitely a swiss made case.

There are Swiss gold hallmarks (head + 750) and the hallmark with hammer head for the casemaker.
The number 132 in the hammer head indicates the casemaker Eric Monnier from La Chaux-de-Fonds (Switzerland), registered 21.07.1934

The lack of a reference number is quite common on (gold) watches of this era and is absolutely no reason for concern nor a proof for a non Swiss case production.

The 6 digit only case serial# is the uncommon feature on this watch but is sometimes seen on original Swiss cased watches from the 50ies (i.e. Constellations, Seamasters,..).

What do you think about the dial Erich? My first impression is good for a jumbo variant, but there's something about the Omega text and printed logo, they seem very small to me
 
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What do you think about the dial Erich? My first impression is good for a jumbo variant, but there's something about the Omega text and printed logo, they seem very small to me

IMHO it is original but I am not an expert on the cosmic dials - my comments were solely about the case.

@MSNWatch is one of the experts on these dials - hope he will chime in.
 
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mac_omega mac_omega
There is quite some strange speculation in this thread about the origin of the case.

The case is definitely a swiss made case.

There are Swiss gold hallmarks (head + 750) and the hallmark with hammer head for the casemaker.
The number 132 in the hammer head indicates the casemaker Eric Monnier from La Chaux-de-Fonds (Switzerland), registered 21.07.1934

The lack of a reference number is quite common on (gold) watches of this era and is absolutely no reason for concern nor a proof for a non Swiss case production.

However the only 6 digit case serial# is the uncommon feature on this watch but is sometimes seen on original Swiss cased watches from the 50ies (i.e. Constellations, Seamasters,..).

Thanks for the new info I stand corrected nice to know I have a complete Swiss piece
 
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Agree with @mac_omega about the case and to me the dial looks correct for a "jumbo" cosmic TDMP.
 
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