Corrosion on movement

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

Hello!
I would appreciate your feedback!!

Is the corrosion you see in the picture a logical outcome from a vintage NOS watch stored for more than 60 years?

Thanks in advance!!

 

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alam

·Apr 23, 2019

I’m curious, how are you applying the term NOS here?

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

alam

I’m curious, how are you applying the term NOS here?

What do you mean?
New old stock (as you already know i suppose)
Question is: is this corrosion a logical outcome for a never used 60years+ old watch?
iam not an expert so i would like expert's opinion.

 

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alam

·Apr 23, 2019

Skipper_S

What do you mean?
New old stock (as you already know i suppose)
Question is: is this corrosion a logical outcome for a never used 60years+ old watch?
iam not an expert so i would like expert's opinion.

yes, most of us around here are familiar with the NOS acronym, but it has a different meaning to many of us... in its most strict definition (mine) a NOS article is one that left the factory, remained in its original packing --perhaps found 60 years later? in a stock room or in a shelf of a retail store and is then, unwrapped and put to use for the first time..... I'm not expert myself and my eyes are too old 🙁 to discern any rust from your picture... wait for a watchmaker or those who tinker with movements to chime..

 

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Fritz

·Apr 23, 2019

I don't see any corrosion either. Dirt, maybe a bit of tarnish, but hardly corrosion.

Even if a watch was never used after it left the factory I would expect some degradation after 60 years in storage. It would really depend on where it was stored. Granny's sock drawer down in Arizona is clean and dry, whereas cousin Cletus lives in the basement of a house in the Tennessee hills and it's pretty damp down there, what with the grow op and all.

And then there's the hotly contested NOS handle. Not much wear may look like NOS but it could have been exposed to some serious moisture in just a few wearings. Especially given the poor water resistance of some cases from the 50s.

I'd like to see a picture of the entire movement, and maybe a dial shot.

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

thanks for your feedback!
I dont have a picture of the entire movement. i Have those though:

 

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alam

·Apr 23, 2019

Skipper_S

thanks for your feedback!
I dont have a picture of the entire movement. i Have those though:

that's a sharp looking case! 👍

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

alam

that's a sharp looking case! 👍

problem is with inside but so far i can understand its a normal outcome.
Hope i can receive more feedback from experts here.

I sold this watch to someone and check what the watchmaker replied!!!

 

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alam

·Apr 23, 2019

is nice/generous they throw an ultrasonic cleaning of the case at no charge 😒 and what are the other upgraded movement parts? I'd look for other watchmaker options..

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

alam

is nice/generous they throw an ultrasonic cleaning of the case at no charge 😒 and what are the other upgraded movement parts? I'd look for other watchmaker options..

its in NY so quess how expensive they are!!!

 

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77deluxe

·Apr 23, 2019

Great watch.

 

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michael22

·Apr 23, 2019

If you have sold the watch, how is it your problem?

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

michael22

If you have sold the watch, how is it your problem?

buyer wants to return the watch or deduct the price ($695) they are asking for the service!

I sold it through Chrono24 for 1000€ and they release the funds after the buyer is ok!

 

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Canuck

·Apr 23, 2019

Upgraded movement parts! What a joke! A quote of $695.00? What a joke! Collusion between the guy who bought the watch, and some “watchmaker” who stands to gain in the sham. Why not take the watch back and re-sell it to someone honest.

 

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BlackTalon

·Apr 23, 2019·This Space for Rent

I personally would assume a 60 year old watch would need a complete movement service. On the plus side there likely would not be any worn parts, but it would need to be taken apart, cleaned oiled, etc.

It is not unlike a car -- you would not expect to take a car that has been sitting for 60 years and start running it like it was brand new.

That being said, this particular watch repairer seems to be shoveling some BS.

 

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alam

·Apr 23, 2019

BlackTalon

.That being said, this particular watch repairer seems to be shoveling some BS.

Canuck

Upgraded movement parts! What a joke! A quote of $695.00? What a joke! Collusion between the guy who bought the watch, and some “watchmaker” who stands to gain in the sham. Why not take the watch back and re-sell it to someone honest.

That's precisely my take! @Skipper_S I'd take the loss on shipping costs and get the watch back!

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

alam

That's precisely my take! @Skipper_S I'd take the loss on shipping costs and get the watch back!

I dont want the watch back if the condition of the watch is what it was supposed to.
The watch is NOS (not in a box - unpacked, but NOS, never worn) and the corrosion - if its a corrosion (so far you guys think its "Dirt, maybe a bit of tarnish, but hardly corrosion" is something that its a logical outcome of a watch sitting in a drawer.

Anyone that have faced a similar problem with a watch that was sold through Chrono24?

Its up to Chrono24 experts to decide if the watch is ok and according to what the seller has specified in the advertisment?

when i bought a rolex from circa 70s 2-3 years ago from Chrono24 and i received the watch and of course the lume of the hands where missing i contacted the administrators and i complained about the missing lume (and now you think "what a noob! that's was logical to happen" 😀 and why the seller states thats it is in Very good condition, they replied that for a watch from 70s it is indeed in Very good condition and the case was closed in favour of the seller.

 

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michael22

·Apr 23, 2019

I don't see any corrosion, but I'm not a watchmaker.
The buyer & his watchmaker are dishonest, IMO. An honest
buyer would simply go to a different watchmaker, & ask for a clean & oil.

 

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Skipper_S

·Apr 23, 2019

michael22

I don't see any corrosion, but I'm not a watchmaker.
The buyer & his watchmaker are dishonest, IMO. An honest
buyer would simply go to a different watchmaker, & ask for a clean & oil.

i agree! I told him that they are trying to rob him (or me) before i open this thread!
its located in NY near Wall Street so they are using often the phase "show me the money" 😀

 

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Archer

·Apr 23, 2019·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Skipper_S

buyer wants to return the watch or deduct the price ($695) they are asking for the service!

I sold it through Chrono24 for 1000€ and they release the funds after the buyer is ok!

A 60 year old NOS watch will obviously need to be serviced, so I'm not sure how you listed the watch - that is a key thing to know before I could comment on if they buyer is entitled to anything. If you listed it "as is" then that's that, but if you made claims about the performance or stated that it was ready to wear, then they may have some recourse I guess - no idea how Chrono24 works to be honest.

The part about "upgraded movement parts" is certainly odd, but there's nothing else out of the ordinary in the watchmakers scope of work. It's standard practice to replace the mainspring at every service, and that may be what the upgraded parts refers to - possibly replacing a blued steel spring with a modern white alloy spring. If it was really not used, the watch really shouldn't need any parts other than the new mainspring and possibly some seals.

Cheers, Al