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river9
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Hi valuable OF members.
I am interested in this Connie for sale locally.
I would like to solicit your thoughts about its authenticity especially concerning the dial.
Being newbie in this hobby I think the dial layout is quite unfamiliar. Is the first time I see "railroad" on white paint like this design.
Gold markers and hands are uncommon (to me) on railroad dial.
Also the crown seems wrong. Should it be a clover or a octagonal one?
Would you please confirm or refute my assessment. Thank you all in advance
 
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Peemacgee
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As a variant of the 14393, the 564 movt from 1969-ish is defintely a replacement.
The crown is a replacement.
The centre of the dial looks correct layout - with missing text and grained central pane - but the first E in chronmeter looks suspect (I thought it might be distortion but it appears to be the same from two different angles)
The images aren't good enough to asses the track itself but I don't recall seeing a black track against a silver dial (the tracks are usually 'silvered' and are often repainted on this reference of dial
The second hand is a replacement too

hope that helps

edit -looks like a crack in the bezel at 4 o'clock too
 
river9
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Thanks @Peemacgee and @nanjingcigaretes for quick replies.
I did not see the crack at 4 on bezel until you talked about it!
Except gold logo, gold indices and gold markers - which attract me the dial layout is definitely weird.
I will pass on this Connie.
Thank you
 
MtnMarine
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This is one of my favorite kinds of thread here. I always miss at least one thing that the real experts on here notice. The amount of knowledge the OF members have is always impressive! Thanks to all of you.
 
JohnSteed
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1. Have never seen a cal 564 in a rail track dial.

2. Is the rail track coloured black....if yes then is a redial. Also agree its a Franken for 1 above (and would NOT get this one)

3. Wrong crown though wrong crown not usually a deal breaker
 
ConElPueblo
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Are you from Vietnam or thereabouts..? SE Asia?

We are seeing a lot of suspect Constellations from that region of the world.
 
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
Are you from Vietnam or thereabouts..? SE Asia?

We are seeing a lot of suspect Constellations from that region of the world.


You mean is the op watch being offered by someone in SE Asia? ...... during my years in Hong Kong i got watches from uK, us, asia on ground....location hardly matters as i:ve seen franken (made up, fakes) from just about all parts of the globe
 
river9
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JohnSteed JohnSteed
You mean is the op watch being offered by someone in SE Asia? ...... during my years in Hong Kong i got watches from uK, us, asia on ground....location hardly matters as i:ve seen franken (made up, fakes) from just about all parts of the globe
@ConElPueblo Yes. I live in Saigon Vietnam
@JohnSteed
Agree ! Vintage watches resemble a minefield in my country. But...
Although I am not playing advocate’s devil. Sometime I stumble on nice pieces in local watch forums. Please comment these:
 
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ConElPueblo
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JohnSteed JohnSteed
You mean is the op watch being offered by someone in SE Asia? ...... during my years in Hong Kong i got watches from uK, us, asia on ground....location hardly matters as i:ve seen franken (made up, fakes) from just about all parts of the globe

That may be, but from what I have observed, SE Asia seems to be the hub when we're talking first class, vintage Omega fakes. Look at the activity on this board in the last half a year or so; check out where the controversial stuff has originated from.
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
That may be, but from what I have observed, SE Asia seems to be the hub when we're talking first class, vintage Omega fakes. Look at the acticity on this board in the last half a year or so; check out where the controversial stuff has originated from.
And Italy is the fertile ground for cobbled and faked divers, India for cartoonish redials, Ukraine for rocks in the box...
 
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