Clocks and Gauges In Cars

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Here are a couple of shots of my 1966 (built 1965) Austin-Healey 3000 Mk. III dash. Note the similarity of the Smiths instruments with the Jaeger instruments found on the Jaguar and the MG like Jantar's a few posts above.



So what do we know about Jaeger gauges versus Smiths gauges?

First here is an article which links Jaeger gauges to Jaeger LeCoulre:

Lessons In Wristory: Jaeger Automotive Instruments

So why are Jaeger automotive instruments and Smiths instruments so much alike?

Smiths Industry instruments

A key bit of information:

"Founded in London in 1851 by Samuel Smith as S. Smith and Son, the concern got its start making watches and clocks as well as selling jewelry and precious stones. Success allowed them to expand to a larger location and open additional shops in the 1870s when Samuel Smith, Jr. took over. Their reputation had grown near the end of the 19th century such that they advertised as “Watchmakers to the Admiralty and the Royal Observatories.” But it was with the dawn of the automobile that Smiths really came into their own."

and . . .

"Throughout the decade following the war, Smiths’ gauge business flourished, as did other facets of their automobile supply business. They purchased M.L. Magneto in 1919 and K.L.G. Sparking Plugs in 1927, the same year they acquired the rights to produce Jaeger instrumentation for the British market under license. British Jaeger gauges are essentially re-branded Smiths gauges. But in 1930, Smiths sold off all of their businesses related to lighting, starting and ignition, including M.L. Magneto, to Lucas, and the two companies agreed not to manufacture products that the other already had an established foothold in. It’s hard to believe such a deal would pass antitrust muster today. If you’ve ever wondered why a car full of Smiths gauges typically had a Lucas ammeter, it’s because Smiths left that business to Lucas."

So we see that both Jaeger (Jaeger LeCoulre) and Smiths instruments evolved from the watchmaking business and eventually their paths crossed and a partnership of sorts was formed concerning automotive instruments.

The MGA MkII was the last MG to carry Jaeger instruments as far as I know. In 1963 when the MGB came out the use of Jaeger branded instruments was halted and Smiths is what you saw in MGs going forward. For the first few years the instruments were the same dimension. In fact I use a Smiths tach in my MGA because it is an electronic tach and the 1800cc engine I have in place currently lacks the mechanical tach drive the original 1622cc engine had.
 
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Great thread! Best crossover for me as I love cars and watches.
Here‘s a picture of a lovely dashboard from a Citroen DS convertible with Jaeger Gauges


And a pic of the dash from my 1959 MGA (watch and car are only 10 years apart). Jaeger and Smith gauges:



Cheers,

Max
 
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Nice juxtaposition of the watch and dash, Max.

I often wear one of my mid 1960s chronos while driving the 1966 Healey, but I don't often take photos. 😉

Here are two shots with the 1966 Sherpa graph.



Cheers,

Joe
 
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Here's a "kinda", Bloodhound SSC

theory:

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reality (possibly)

 
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Seen plenty of Smiths gauges so far but this one on a 1952 Vincent Rapide is pretty cool

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Great thread! Best crossover for me as I love cars and watches.
Here‘s a picture of a lovely dashboard from a Citroen DS convertible with Jaeger Gauges


And a pic of the dash from my 1959 MGA (watch and car are only 10 years apart). Jaeger and Smith gauges:



Cheers,

Max

Max, your speedo appears to be a later replacement as these were all originally Jaeger gauges. The Smiths of that size were generally fitted to the early MGBs. I have a couple of them laying around and I also used a Smiths electronic tach in my MGA when I put in a 5 main 1800cc engine.
 
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My father's Audi 80 gauge design is ingrained in my mind. Here's a pic of the S2's gauges and interior, but they were the same except for the background(black in the 80) and the panel above the glovebox which was absent in the 80. That car taught me how to operate a clutch. I also loved watching the animations on the little computer cycling when the ignition was turned on. I remember watching my dad take the gauges out to replace a plastic cog that broke in the odometer mechanism. It was a common fault on Audis of this era. The auxiliary gauges where the ashtray was in the base models also gave the you a little hint regarding its rally heritage. Audi Quattro interior pictured below. I'll definitely get an S2 one day!
 
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Stumbled across this Bremont Mk II that evokes a vintage Jaguar dashboard. Retails at $6K so a bit over my price range. But I like the retro guage look.

 
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I don't believe I have ever seen this...

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Seems, I don't know, not legit? lol
 
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Well look at that. I'll be honest, I have never noticed it in a Singer car.
And let me now be brutally honest...as much as I respect the craftsmanship of those cars, they are just not for me, so I really don't pay them too much notice in general.
I see that article is almost 10 years old now but this stuck out to me:
...you pay somewhere from $190,000 to over $300,000 for your restored / remade / reimagined Singer Vehicle Design Porsche...
Uh, I just saw on on PCar Market sell for over $1m lol...
The 911 bubble is REAL! I remember almost buying a 964 in 2011 but didn't think it was wise to spend the $25k on it back then....HAH!
🤦🤬🤬🤦
But I was also in college and it would have been my only car. It just wasn't practical back then.
 
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My 1969 Lincoln Mark III has a Cartier clock that's right twice a day. Rumor has it that lots of these old clocks can be fitted with quartz movements.
 
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So I was doing my daily browsing of Bring A Trailer and was looking back over some past auctions and was checking out this one in particular...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-renault-r5-turbo-2-9/

While admiring this fine vehicle I noticed the boost gauge said "Jaeger" in what looks to be the same font as "Jaeger-LeCoultre"

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So are they one in the same?
It then got me to think about all the other cars I have seen over the years with clocks and gauges made by "watch" companies...

IWC in Mercedes
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Breitling in Bentley
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Heuer in Porsche
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Smiths in Jaguar
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I feel like I'm forgetting some, and there are probably some I am totally unaware of so if you know of any, please share!
Smiths made much more than dials/watches. They expanded hugely, and if you fly today, you will be checked by Smiths machines at the airport and be scanned by Smiths medical scanners if you are in hospital. They made dials for many British car companies, including supplying the dials for my MG.

Edit - just realised I’m replying to a two year old post ::facepalm1::
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Smiths made much more than dials/watches. They expanded hugely, and if you fly today, you will be checked by Smiths machines at the airport and be scanned by Smiths medical scanners if you are in hospital. They made dials for many British car companies, including supplying the dials for my MG.

Edit - just realised I’m replying to a two year old post ::facepalm1::

Haha that is ok! Still relevant!