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·Oh no, another in-house / out-house movement debate
Can no Omegas be considered to have in-house movements?
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·There is an enormous difference between an ETA 2824 and Omega 8900 -- tens of millions of dollars in R&D and capital investment in production equipment, and 15,000 Gauss in magnetic resistance. In my opinion this makes the 8900 uniquely in-house.
This.
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·OMEGA is using anti-magnetic parts in the 8400 and 8900 calibers. Which other brand is using them? To manufacture those kind of parts a movement has to be in-house. Right?
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··Oooo subtitles!OMEGA is using anti-magnetic parts in the 8400 and 8900 calibers. Which other brand is using them? To manufacture those kind of parts a movement has to be in-house. Right?
If you mean does anyone else use Silicon balance springs then yes, many others do. You are clutching at straws in that direction in my opinion. I personally do see the 8000 and 9000 series movements as in house to Omega (by my own gut definition). They are so different from what came before in both form factor and performance that it is hard to see them as ETA or Lemania derivatives. Sadly the ridiculous thickness means I will not be buying a watch with one of either any time soon. I would much rather the supposed compromises inherent in the 2500D and 3313C and wear a watch that retains at least some elegance and wearability.
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·If you mean does anyone else use Silicon balance springs then yes, many others do. You are clutching at straws in that direction in my opinion. I personally do see the 8000 and 9000 series movements as in house to Omega (by my own gut definition). They are so different from what came before in both form factor and performance that it is hard to see them as ETA or Lemania derivatives. Sadly the ridiculous thickness means I will not be buying a watch with one of either any time soon. I would much rather the supposed compromises inherent in the 2500D and 3313C and wear a watch that retains at least some elegance and wearability.
We are on the same page. Other than the hairspring, I do not think other brands use all anti-magnetic components.
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·If you mean does anyone else use Silicon balance springs then yes, many others do. You are clutching at straws in that direction in my opinion. I personally do see the 8000 and 9000 series movements as in house to Omega (by my own gut definition). They are so different from what came before in both form factor and performance that it is hard to see them as ETA or Lemania derivatives. Sadly the ridiculous thickness means I will not be buying a watch with one of either any time soon. I would much rather the supposed compromises inherent in the 2500D and 3313C and wear a watch that retains at least some elegance and wearability.
I agree with you regarding case thickness! Every time I see them at my AD it's like seeing them for the first time and puts me at awe how the design team at Omega sent them out the door. Then again many out there don't mind the thickness, as do others who enjoy Panerai. Just not for me!
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·OMEGA is using anti-magnetic parts in the 8400 and 8900 calibers. Which other brand is using them? To manufacture those kind of parts a movement has to be in-house. Right?
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorWe are on the same page. Other than the hairspring, I do not think other brands use all anti-magnetic components.
Bit of research for you to see for yourself.
Today, even divers' watches (according to ISO 6425 ) must be anti-magnetic as well as being water resistant, Sufficient Luminous, shock resistant and have solid straps.
ISO 6425
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·No. Anti-magnetic parts can be sourced from outside suppliers.
OK. I know Ball makes watches with high anti-magnetic resistance. But OMEGA seems to be the one with the record in this field. Why has a company like Rolex not pioneered this? They advertise their watches as a highly reliable. An anti-magnetic caliber significantly cuts down one enemy of a caliber's accuracy.
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·OK. I know Ball makes watches with high anti-magnetic resistance. But OMEGA seems to be the one with the record in this field. Why has a company like Rolex not pioneered this? They advertise their watches as a highly reliable. An anti-magnetic caliber significantly cuts down one enemy of a caliber's accuracy.
To point out the obvious https://www.rolex.com/watches/milgauss.html
As to why Rolex don't make more of this, I'd hazard a guess that it's not something that their customers feel is important enough to justify a large investment.
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·For me, I'm interested in "Unique" movements, as in, ones that aren't available in other watches by other brands, regardless of where the movement comes from.
For me, an example is the Longines Retrograde
Yes, it's made by ETA but the modifications to it are exclusive to that brand, so you'll only see it on their watches that make use of it (there are 4 or so as far as i know). It's the concept that's important, not who physically built it, unless they are known to be of substandard quality.
That's far more interesting to me than a standard 3 hander with date that's "in house"
For me, an example is the Longines Retrograde
Yes, it's made by ETA but the modifications to it are exclusive to that brand, so you'll only see it on their watches that make use of it (there are 4 or so as far as i know). It's the concept that's important, not who physically built it, unless they are known to be of substandard quality.
That's far more interesting to me than a standard 3 hander with date that's "in house"
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·To point out the obvious https://www.rolex.com/watches/milgauss.html
As to why Rolex don't make more of this, I'd hazard a guess that it's not something that their customers feel is important enough to justify a large investment.
I know about the Milgauss. But that is just one model in the company's entire range that's primary attribute is its anti-magnetism. Since when does Rolex care about what their clients feel is Rolex is not oppose to price hikes and their clients are not opposed to accepting it.
Nevertheless, I am happy that OMEGA is the manufacturer pioneering this.
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·I know about the Milgauss. But that is just one model in the company's entire range that's primary attribute is its anti-magnetism. Since when does Rolex care about what their clients feel is Rolex is not oppose to price hikes and their clients are not opposed to accepting it.
Nevertheless, I am happy that OMEGA is the manufacturer pioneering this.
Actually they do this kind of thing. A few years ago they started the Parachrom Blue hairspring as well as simplifying the chronograph movements bringing the number of components down and as well as increasing not only the anti-magnetic but also the Shock resistance of their movements.
I also would not say Rolex does not care about their clients feelings...they do care, that is why they don't make sweeping changes that break their Narrative. It works very well for them to be identified with stable, iconic, durable and lasting components and designs, as well as not having to respond to a larger corporation (like Richmond or Swatch) when setting their goals.
I do think Rolex cares LESS about the clients that are not their clients yet, but want to define what they need in order to become their clients. So If someone says they can't like Rolex because they can't stand their cyclops or line of watches they're fine with that. They don't want to convince you to not buy an Omega if that's what you like....it's not within their strategy to compare and accommodate....quite the opposite.
I love Omega, love them, but I do get a little tired of the thousand variations on a theme. But it is their business model and so be it. The same for Rolex.
Of note the most loved Omega is the one that has not changed much in decades, The Speedy. There is something to say for sticking to what is right and not fixing things that ain't broke. I still consider the 2500 PO's one of the most beautiful Subs ever made (specially the LMLE) and I applaud the SMP300 originality. The vintage SM 300 is today one of my favorites "on the wrist" vintage subs. As for the sides of the moon etc I don't care that much.
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·Omega's movements are made in their own workshops since several years ago. Omega always designed, engineered and produced their own movements, since the XIXth century (quite different from, for example Rolex, which bought movements off the shelf from Agler for all their history, and never made a single in--house movement until they bough Aegler in 2004) until 1982, when they began using ETA movements which Omega modified extensively. Important to note is that Omega never stopped making some of their own in-house movements, even in that period, from chronographs with in-house Omega-Lemania 861, 1861, their own Tourbillon, and calibers 626, among others. That lasted until the end of the 90's, when they introduced the 2500, an extremely modified 2892A2, there is no 2892 family movement more changed than Omega's 2500, they changed the heart of the movement. Then, in the 2000's they changed to the new calibers, 8500 and derivatives and 9300 and derivatives, which are all in-house, designed and produced by Omega. Also, Omega has returned to produce their 321, which is an Omega-Lemania movement, designed and produced by both companies and based on an Omega design, and have introduced also the new 3861, which is an iteration on another in-house movement for Omega, the Omega-Lemania 1861.
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