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DaveK
··Yoda of YodelersWelcome back to the forum! Nice collection 👍
Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs
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LesXL
·¡Vivan los relojes de bolsillo! ....
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Alpha
··Kilt Owner, Beagle Parent, Omega CollectorStill on my hols and enjoying every minute, an added bonus has been picking up this Elgin circa 1912 ? along the way.
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Canuck
·The skinny on @Alpha ’s sharp new Elgin.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/17499124
I see very few repair marks inside the case back. The movement looks pretty well free of deterioration. The gold filled finish on the case appears to have stood the test of time quite well. In a lot of instances, the pocket watches we collect came along just as wrist watches were becoming more popular. As a result, a lot of pocket watches might have been retired before they were worn out. That might be the case here. The vitreous enamel dial appears to be in as-new condition. Typical with gold filled cases that were decorated with barleycorn texture, the decoration shows wear. To be expected. The watch being 107 years old!
With about 1,487,000 of this grade having been made, it is not a rare watch. But survivors of that production likely amount to about 0.5% of total production, and of those, few would likely be in this condition. Enjoy!
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/17499124
I see very few repair marks inside the case back. The movement looks pretty well free of deterioration. The gold filled finish on the case appears to have stood the test of time quite well. In a lot of instances, the pocket watches we collect came along just as wrist watches were becoming more popular. As a result, a lot of pocket watches might have been retired before they were worn out. That might be the case here. The vitreous enamel dial appears to be in as-new condition. Typical with gold filled cases that were decorated with barleycorn texture, the decoration shows wear. To be expected. The watch being 107 years old!
With about 1,487,000 of this grade having been made, it is not a rare watch. But survivors of that production likely amount to about 0.5% of total production, and of those, few would likely be in this condition. Enjoy!
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Canuck
·Yes! I like the Keystone Howard series 5. I have 2. But also the series 4, and series 11. I like Howards! I have omitted my Edward Howard series VIII hunter. I don’t have a series 10, or series 0. The series 4 I show is basically the same as series 7, 3, and 9. In fact my Shugart book doesn’t list a series 4! Go figure!
Series 11
Series 4
Series 5
Series 11
Series 4
Series 5
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Fritz
·Yes! I like the Keystone Howard series 5. I have 2. But also the series 4, and series 11. I like Howards! I have omitted my Edward Howard series VIII hunter. I don’t have a series 10, or series 0. The series 4 I show is basically the same as series 7, 3, and 9. In fact my Shugart book doesn’t list a series 4! Go figure!
Series 11
Series 4
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TexOmega
·Elgin Model 15
16s B W Raymond RR grade 455 movement
19j
Circa 1920
Metal 24hr "Canadian" dial
Not RR approved....no "Black and Bold on white" dial.
A looker nonetheless in and out.
16s B W Raymond RR grade 455 movement
19j
Circa 1920
Metal 24hr "Canadian" dial
Not RR approved....no "Black and Bold on white" dial.
A looker nonetheless in and out.
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Canuck
·If I read the S# correctly as 22244632, then this is the skinny on @TexOmega ’s handsome Elgin.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/22244632
As to the dial? I’ll say it once more, that each railroad could interpret standards for railroad watches in a way that suited them. I know that the Canadian Pacific Railway approved watches that didn’t meet some of the standards as set out by (for example) Webb Ball. CPR approved 17-jewel Waltham 1883 models which had single rollers, adjusted to 3 positions, and were stem set! The general time inspector for any given railroad appears to have some latitude as to what was acceptable for his particular railroad. While your metal dial might not have passed muster with Webb Ball, he was not the general time inspector for every railroad in the hemisphere.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/22244632
As to the dial? I’ll say it once more, that each railroad could interpret standards for railroad watches in a way that suited them. I know that the Canadian Pacific Railway approved watches that didn’t meet some of the standards as set out by (for example) Webb Ball. CPR approved 17-jewel Waltham 1883 models which had single rollers, adjusted to 3 positions, and were stem set! The general time inspector for any given railroad appears to have some latitude as to what was acceptable for his particular railroad. While your metal dial might not have passed muster with Webb Ball, he was not the general time inspector for every railroad in the hemisphere.
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OllieOnTheRocks
·I have two pocket watches in the collection at the moment. One white / silver dial Tissot with blued hands and one blue / grey dial Omega with silver hands. Unfortunately the Omega isn’t running, but I couldn’t resist buying it because of its beautiful rare dial. Not knowing a great deal about pocket watches do you think this has any value? I’ve not bothered having it serviced as I just enjoyed looking at it to be honest and don’t like the idea of pumping money into something that isn’t worth a lot - is it worth having it serviced in your opinion?
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Canuck
·Worth, and value, shouldn’t be confused. Lots of folks spend lots of money fixing stuff of little value, because it is WORTH it to them! Sure, you get value out of it by just looking at it. But consider the value you would derive from repairing it, and being able to USE it! It will be worth a lot more to you, if you do that. Find a specialist repair shop (not Wal-Mart), and have them decide what it needs, and get a quote. That will help you decide what to do.
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Mmike1357
·My Series 10 in original box says hi! I love Howard’s and plan on acquiring more…
Yes! I like the Keystone Howard series 5. I have 2. But also the series 4, and series 11. I like Howards! I have omitted my Edward Howard series VIII hunter. I don’t have a series 10, or series 0. The series 4 I show is basically the same as series 7, 3, and 9. In fact my Shugart book doesn’t list a series 4! Go figure!
Series 11
Series 4
Series 5
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Canuck
·The skinny on your handsome Howard.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/e.-howard-watch-co.-keystone/1238925
I am somewhat baffled that the pocketwatchdatabase file on that one indicates it is not railroad grade! Maybe stem set, not lever set? It seems as though it has everything else it would need to qualify it. The data base says,
“Movement Setting- Mixed”. That might imply the series 10 was made both as stem set, and lever set. I don’t see why this one wouldn’t be railroad grade, if lever set.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/e.-howard-watch-co.-keystone/1238925
I am somewhat baffled that the pocketwatchdatabase file on that one indicates it is not railroad grade! Maybe stem set, not lever set? It seems as though it has everything else it would need to qualify it. The data base says,
“Movement Setting- Mixed”. That might imply the series 10 was made both as stem set, and lever set. I don’t see why this one wouldn’t be railroad grade, if lever set.
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Mmike1357
·The skinny on your handsome Howard.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/e.-howard-watch-co.-keystone/1238925
I am somewhat baffled that the pocketwatchdatabase file on that one indicates it is not railroad grade! Maybe stem set, not lever set? It seems as though it has everything else it would need to qualify it. The data base says,
“Movement Setting- Mixed”. That might imply the series 10 was made both as stem set, and lever set. I don’t see why this one wouldn’t be railroad grade, if lever set.
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Canuck
·Page 24 of my 2014 copy of the Shugart book indicates that all 16-size Howards with 19, 21, and 23-jewels are railroad approved. This according to the 1930 standards set down by R D Montgomery, general time inspector of the Acheson, Topeka, and Santa Fe railroad. So I suspect that the listing I quoted from specified the series 10 was not railroad approved because that model appears to have been made as stem set as well. I think we can agree that yours was railroad approved! It is outstanding, for a 108 year old watch.
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TexOmega
·Excellent Howard
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Vitezi
·One white / silver dial Tissot with blued hands
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Canuck
·About 20 years ago, a fellow brought me the subject watch for an estimate for repair. The movement is only a 7-jewel model. When I quote on a 7 jewel watch, I quote a higher price than I do for watches with 15, 17, 19 jewels, or more. I usually have to contend with worn bearings on 7-jewel models. He declined the repair, and never picked it up! I took a look at it on Sunday, and decided it had possibilities. I’m sure it hasn’t been worked on after it left Elgin in 1919, or so. It had likely been lubed with whale oil! I could not believe how it was gummed up. It was difficult to take the movement apart. I had to peg the bearings, scrub it with Mr. Clean solution and water, rinse it, dry it thoroughly, and clean it again, in L & R Extra Fine cleaner. Even at that, I had to glass brush the congealed oil off the bearings, and re-clean it. Turned out nice!
The case is a 10 year gold filled case. The style is called a Demi hunter (half hunter), and the numerals are translucent blue vitreous enamel. The enamel is not damaged, and that is unusual! The movement is Elgin. The inner cuvette indicates it was a presentation to the secretary of a union in Newtownards, County Cork, Ireland, in 1920. The hour hand is a “double spade” style, typical of a Demi-hunter, allowing the time to be read without opening the front cover.
The case is a 10 year gold filled case. The style is called a Demi hunter (half hunter), and the numerals are translucent blue vitreous enamel. The enamel is not damaged, and that is unusual! The movement is Elgin. The inner cuvette indicates it was a presentation to the secretary of a union in Newtownards, County Cork, Ireland, in 1920. The hour hand is a “double spade” style, typical of a Demi-hunter, allowing the time to be read without opening the front cover.
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Fritz
·About 20 years ago, a fellow brought me the subject watch for an estimate for repair. The movement is only a 7-jewel model. When I quote on a 7 jewel watch, I quote a higher price than I do for watches with 15, 17, 19 jewels, or more. I usually have to contend with worn bearings on 7-jewel models. He declined the repair, and never picked it up! I took a look at it on Sunday, and decided it had possibilities. I’m sure it hasn’t been worked on after it left Elgin in 1919, or so. It had likely been lubed with whale oil! I could not believe how it was gummed up. It was difficult to take the movement apart. I had to peg the bearings, scrub it with Mr. Clean solution and water, rinse it, dry it thoroughly, and clean it again, in L & R Extra Fine cleaner. Even at that, I had to glass brush the congealed oil off the bearings, and re-clean it. Turned out nice!
The case is a 10 year gold filled case. The style is called a Demi hunter (half hunter), and the numerals are translucent blue vitreous enamel. The enamel is not damaged, and that is unusual! The movement is Elgin. The inner cuvette indicates it was a presentation to the secretary of a union in Newtownards, County Cork, Ireland, in 1920. The hour hand is a “double spade” style, typical of a Demi-hunter, allowing the time to be read without opening the front cover.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Picked this one up recently. 9K gold Dennison case dated to 1930-31 so long after the glory years for pocket watches, well into the ww age in fact, but the condition is fantastic, with no significant dial or case damage at all I can see. The hands are nicely blued but this is tricky to show it well in photos. Personally I much prefer the full or half hunter configuration but I couldn't turn this away.
Has the original box which is nice. I haven't timed it but its ticking away nicely and shows marks in the case of previous services. I can't see any makers marks on the movement under the balance so I suspect the movement isn't anything special, generic off the shelf 15j Swiss I presume.
These are out there at very reasonable prices not much above the melt in fact which is a crying shame when you think about it (or great depending on if you are buying or selling) as they are lovely things to behold:
Has the original box which is nice. I haven't timed it but its ticking away nicely and shows marks in the case of previous services. I can't see any makers marks on the movement under the balance so I suspect the movement isn't anything special, generic off the shelf 15j Swiss I presume.
These are out there at very reasonable prices not much above the melt in fact which is a crying shame when you think about it (or great depending on if you are buying or selling) as they are lovely things to behold:
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