Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

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I live close to Lindsay Ontario and have to say I am just gobsmacked with your watch....Ive tried unsuccessfully a few times to win Beal watches but your watch is just unreal. A private label reputable jeweler on a private label waltham run for CRTS....just seems unbelievable.....
The story doesn’t end there. In 1890, the Canadian Horological Institute was founded in Toronto, by Henry Playtner. The institute was set up to teach basic watchmaking skills to those with no horological training, to offer upgrading to watchmakers with experience, and to teach some students to actually build a complete watch. One of the students was the son of G W Beall. He actually built a watch. After the institute training, this fellow worked in the Beall store as a watchmaker. He eventually bought the business. I like to think that perhaps, at one time, he may have worked on my Waltham.

Playtner, the founder of the institute, folded it about 1915 or so. He was inactive for a time, but eventually accepted the position as the general manager and head instructor at the Elgin School of Watchmaking in Elgin, Ill. He left after about 3 years because of interference from Elgin management. The President of Elgin, C H Hulburd placed his son in the school as a mole, and ol’ C H wouldn’t let Playtner run the school the way he wanted.

I bought this watch from an acquaintance about 15 years ago for (what I considered at the time), too much money. But since I have come to know quite a bit about the provenance of the watch, I realize he did me a favour by selling it to me, too cheap. I learned the background on my Waltham from the CHI book.

A friend, Gary Fox of Ottawa, has written two excellent books of interest. One book is on the Canadian Horological Institute, and the other is on the Elgin School of Watchmaking. These books are available from the author. Contact [email protected]. If interested.
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The story doesn’t end there. In 1890, the Canadian Horological Institute was founded in Toronto, by Henry Playtner. The institute was set up to teach basic watchmaking skills to those with no horological training, to offer upgrading to watchmakers with experience, and to teach some students to actually build a complete watch. One of the students was the son of G W Beall. He actually built a watch. After the institute training, this fellow worked in the Beall store as a watchmaker. He eventually bought the business. I like to think that perhaps, at one time, he may have worked on my Waltham.

Playtner, the founder of the institute, folded it about 1915 or so. He was inactive for a time, but eventually accepted the position as the general manager and head instructor at the Elgin School of Watchmaking in Elgin, Ill. He left after about 3 years because of interference from Elgin management. The President of Elgin, C H Hulburd placed his son in the school as a mole, and ol’ C H wouldn’t let Playtner run the school the way he wanted.

I bought this watch from an acquaintance about 15 years ago for (what I considered at the time), too much money. But since I have come to know quite a bit about the provenance of the watch, I realize he did me a favour by selling it to me, too cheap. I learned the background on my Waltham from the CHI book.

A friend, Gary Fox of Ottawa, has written two excellent books of interest. One book is on the Canadian Horological Institute, and the other is on the Elgin School of Watchmaking. These books are available from the author. Contact [email protected]. If interested.
Only One word comes to mind.....INCREDIBLE ,,,,,the watch, the provenance and your good fortune to have acquired it.
 
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Newly acquired, but not running Longines 19CH from 1891. It appears to be missing a lever on the chronograph mechanism and a broken mainspring, but hopefully there are no other unpleasant surprises. It has a really beautiful dial and movement so it would be very nice to get it up and running again.

 
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Newly acquired, but not running Longines 19CH from 1891. It appears to be missing a lever on the chronograph mechanism and a broken mainspring, but hopefully there are no other unpleasant surprises. It has a really beautiful dial and movement so it would be very nice to get it up and running again.

Good luck with your project I only have a few Longines and nothing as incredible as your watch here but I did pick up an interesting Longines 16 Size Silver hunter British Private Label and had it cleaned and adjusted through the winter/Spring and got it back last wednesday. It was made in about 1872 and is the 19B key wind/set movement. Had a problem with the canon pinion that made the hour hand a bit erratic but good to go now... I have tried to pick up interesting and older Longines pocket watches and pleased to find a few over the years including an interesting Express Leader 18 Size Railroad watch.
 
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Errand of discovery, for me. By actual test, I find that my 18-size, 1883 Waltham private label runs 33 hours on a full wind. These older watches don’t have the power reserve of newer pocket watches which run for 40 hours, plus, on a full wind, generally. Some will run more that 48 hours on a full wind.
 
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Good luck with your project I only have a few Longines and nothing as incredible as your watch here but I did pick up an interesting Longines 16 Size Silver hunter British Private Label and had it cleaned and adjusted through the winter/Spring and got it back last wednesday. It was made in about 1872 and is the 19B key wind/set movement. Had a problem with the canon pinion that made the hour hand a bit erratic but good to go now... I have tried to pick up interesting and older Longines pocket watches and pleased to find a few over the years including an interesting Express Leader 18 Size Railroad watch.

Thank you! I think it will be quite some time till I attempt this one. I have a feeling it is going to take a long time till I manage to find the lever, unless I get lucky and someone on here has one that they would be willing to part with!

Yours are very nice as well. Longines made a lot of very interesting watches!
 
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I am inquiring about chasing pocket watch case threads. When I remove the front of my Hamilton 940 watch case in order to set the time I have the dickens of a time getting the front to start to screw back down straight. Is there a good technique for cleaning up watch case threads for better alignment and easier fit?

It’s a bit off putting to desire to use this nice watch because of the cross-threading.

 
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Try turning the bezel counter-clockwise wise, slowly, and listen for a “click”. This often indicates the thread in the bezel has aligned with the thread on the case.
 
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Try turning the bezel counter-clockwise wise, slowly, and listen for a “click”. This often indicates the thread in the bezel has aligned with the thread on the case.
This is the way.
 
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This is the way.

What I do too, however I must say it's a system fraught with worry, it's easy to misjudge especially with worn threads on a 100 + year old PW.
I have on a few occasions got out with a loupe and closely inspected the thread lead in for damage.
I have often thought a proper lead in shaft area and a modified lead in pitch would have made what is after all potentially a daily operation ( if the PW runs down) a bit more mechanically robust.
 
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Many thanks to you! It’s a whole lot easier to view a comparison with your nice photographs than flipping back and forth between our earlier photographs was.
 
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On to the next one. With this one I would kindly ask some help. It is a steel cased, Zenith Cal. [19-34-3-T] with a single sunk dial and Louis XIV hands. Movement is 40.6mm wide and the watch case is 50.7mm wide / 14.7mm thick, 102g, unknown jewel count (15 presumed). Movement serial 3334927, case serial 8674811. According to Rössler caliber 19-34 variants were manufactured from 1906 until 1939 with 449800 being made in various configurations.




I am totally stuck with this one as the movement layout looks much like 19 ligne Zenith 193 that was used for Wehrmacht during WW2 - which this isn't (but initally lead me astray) as the [Cal.193-P-6] has different regulation with shock protection and is listed under various sources of being 19'". Then before peaking under the balance wheel, I momentarily thought this is Zenith [Cal.18-28-3] variant because when measured, it is 40.6mm which would correspond to 18'" ligne. But under the balance wheel there is 19-34-?-? (see below). It also has [serial] [number] 3334927 which would place movement manufacturing date somewhere around 1940-1943 (as opposed to Rössler figure 1906 - 1939 for 19-34-... movements). Then for example at [Uhrforum] and [forummontres], an entirely different looking Cal. 19-34's are shown featuring central second(!) hand for maritime/navy and size indicated being 19`". PWDB to the rescue as some kind soul has posted a PW sample very similar to mine there[19-34-3-T]. PWDB helped somewhat to alleviate concerns that maybe this isn't some collection of parts kind of monstrosity. In addition to PWDB, at least one past [auction] listing exists with what appears to be same movement config.



Another thing that drives me nuts is the regulator. It isn't unusual for Zeniths of this period it looks like, but nowhere I can find a [type] or appropriate name for it.

What do I have here / what am I doing wrong? Help! 😅 Could it be that 19-34-3-T was a late 19-34/18-28 family variant used in more than one finished configuration, possibly including a center-seconds deck-watch adaptations and ordinary small-seconds watches?

References:

[19-34-3-T] https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/profile/Narler/collection/view/71261
[Cal.193-P-6] https://forumamontres.forumactif.com/t50236-quand-zenith-a-invente-son-propre-antichoc
[Cal.18-28-3] https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/numbers-13-24-on-zenith-pocket-watch-dial-after-1900.5558290/
[forummontres] https://forumamontres.forumactif.com/t208957-zenith
[Uhrforum] https://uhrforum.de/threads/zenith-und-die-royal-navy.470225/
[auction] https://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/1939_ww2_zenith_pocket_watch_stamped_hs3_a6856/as170a6856
[serial] https://german242.com/en/zenith-movement-serial-numbers/
[number] https://sammler-uhren.com/en/blogs/...mmung-zenitz-nach-werknummer-und-kaliberliste
[type] https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/reference/regulators
 
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Nice 18-28! @bubba48 ! Is that from Zeniths' Besancon production line? I am under impression that Besancon-finished Zeniths can show different, shorter local/French numbering.

Would you know what that regulator on your watch is called / where one could find more information about it (although it is slightly different from the one on my 19-34 above)?
 
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Earlier today, I was groping around, trying to find my 86-year old Hamilton grade 992E. As a creature of habit, there are only two places I might have put it when I’m not wearing it. Either in the vault, or on my lamp table in the living room. Neither place! Problem solved. Normally, at the end of the day, if I’m wearing a pocket watch, it is the first thing I take off. I hadn’t taken it off on Saturday night! I found it Sunday evening, in my pocket. Haphazard, careless, absent minded, whatever!

 
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I very nearly wore my 992 in a BOC case today, but when I opened my drawer up, I looked at my 950B and decided to wear it. I don't think I've worn it once since acquiring my 950 a while back.
 
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Still my 90 year old 992E. Couldn’t find it on Sunday, in its usual parking spots. Late Sunday, I found it was in my watch pocket where it had been since Pocket Watch Friday.