Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

Canuck · Tues. 4:36pm

TexOmega
18s, 7j Home Watch Company model 1857 circa 1874, KWKS. Made by American Watch Co. which eventually became Waltham Watch Company.
Am. Watch Co. Coin Silver case with a 4 hinge case.

Entry level

Notice that nowhere on this watch is the name of the maker (AWWCo. or Waltham). This watch was offered during a price war between Waltham and Eligin.

Claudious05 · Wed. 12:01am

Original thread

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired my first vintage Omega pocket watch and I’m trying to find out more about its exact origin and possible history. Here’s what I already know:

Movement serial number: 5361628 → dates the watch to approximately 1919–1920
Case material Steel
Beautifully engraved “Winged Wheel” (winged railway wheel) on the back cover
Comes with a steel Albert chain that appears period-correct (T-bar + dog-clip)

I’ve read that the winged-wheel emblem was used by Omega for watches supplied to British railway companies (and sometimes RAF) during and just after WWI. My watch seems to fit exactly into that 1919–1922 timeframe.

Is anyone here familiar with these steel “Winged Wheel” pocket watches?
Could this be an actual British Railway or early RAF service watch? Any idea how rare this version is?

Thank you very much in advance for any information or thoughts!

Best regards
Claudious05

JimInOz · Wed. 2:17am

It looks to be all original and in a Borgel style case.
I don't know of the "British Railways/RAF" story, are you able to provide a link or origin of the story?

Serial dates the movement to about 1918/1919, I can't make out the case serial number but that may help to date the actual watch.

Claudious05 · Wed. 2:30am

JimInOz
It looks to be all original and in a Borgel style case.
I don't know of the "British Railways/RAF" story, are you able to provide a link or origin of the story?

Serial dates the movement to about 1918/1919, I can't make out the case serial number but that may help to date the actual watch.

Hi, i cant provide the link since it was told me by the private vendor on chrono24. That's also the reason I asked.

Here is a picture of the case sn.

Claudious05 · Wed. 2:33am

Claudious05
Hi, i cant provide the link since it was told me by the private vendor on chrono24. That's also the reason I asked.

Here is a picture of the case sn.

I also thought the wheel on the wing engraving was a railway wheel. Thank you for your help and time.

Waltesefalcon · Wed. 7:30am

Unless Britain's railroad watch standards were much looser than the ones in North America, I doubt this was a British railroad watch, because it appears to only be 11 jewels. I also don't see any gov't acceptance marks on the case, so I doubt it was RAF.

Without provenance, spiffy engravings are just spiffy engravings. Trying to find out this watch's history will be very difficult if all you have is the watch. Buy the watch, not the story.

Claudious05 · Wed. 7:54am

Waltesefalcon
Unless Britain's railroad watch standards were much looser than the ones in North America, I doubt this was a British railroad watch, because it appears to only be 11 jewels. I also don't see any gov't acceptance marks on the case, so I doubt it was RAF.

Without provenance, spiffy engravings are just spiffy engravings. Trying to find out this watch's history will be very difficult if all you have is the watch. Buy the watch, not the story.

Hi, thank you for the answer.
You're right about buying the watch, I just wanted to know a bit more since I am not familiar with the models and their variants. To be fair, I am not even sure if they already had the concept of models like we have today.

Thank you for the help. If anyone else knows more about what the wings engraving on the back of the watch means, I would be eager to hear it.

gilb12 · Wed. 8:01am

For sure it isn't the only One 🤔🤔

Claudious05 · Wed. 8:11am

gilb12
For sure it isn't the only One 🤔🤔

That is exactly why I wanted to know more about it. But maybe it was just a marketing campaign.

gilb12 · Wed. 8:14am

Claudious05
That is exactly why I wanted to know more about it. But maybe it was just a marketing campaign.

I think it refers more probably to "progress" and "speed" . It's not a Railroad assigned Pocket watch . This symbol was used a lot at the end of '800 , beginning of '900

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Claudious05 · Wed. 8:21am

gilb12
I think it's refers more probably to "progress" and "speed" . It's not a Railroad assigned Pocket watch . This symbol was used a lot at the end of '800 , beginning of '900

Very interesting, thank you for the information.

Could it also be related to their progress as a watch manufacturer? Maybe the watches won some awards or received certification for the first time back then.

gilb12 · Wed. 8:25am

Claudious05
Very interesting, thank you for the information.

Could it also be related to their progress as a watch manufacturer? Maybe the watches won some awards or received certification for the first time back then.

Sure , could be possible 👍👍

TexOmega · Wed. 10:33am

very nice pw, but it's just a advertising logo

Claudious05 · Wed. 10:43am

TexOmega
very nice pw, but it's just a advertising logo

Hi, thank you for the reply.

Makes sense.

Would it be possible to give an estimate of how much it could be worth? Of course I know it depends on the demand and the condition of the watch.
I am just looking for a rough estimation.

Steel case

Estimated year 1920

Original chain

No original box or papers, but it has an old presentation box

Revisioned

I am planning to request an archive extract from Omega

I bought it for 310 CHF

Thank you. : )

Claudious05 · Wed. 10:48am

Claudious05
Hi, thank you for the reply.

Makes sense.

Would it be possible to give an estimate of how much it could be worth? Of course I know it depends on the demand and the condition of the watch.
I am just looking for a rough estimation.

Steel case

Estimated year 1920

Original chain

No original box or papers, but it has an old presentation box

Revisioned

I am planning to request an archive extract from Omega

I bought it for 310 CHF

Thank you. : )

Edit: the watch was serviced, not revisioned. Sorry, it was a translation issue from the Chrono24 description.

TexOmega · Wed. 11:48am

Value? I would want a higher quality level of movement at that price point. It is a nice, gentleman's pw and appears to have a nice dial, its' best asset along with the Moon hands.

I'd wear it and enjoy it.

Claudious05 · Wed. 12:08pm

TexOmega
Value? I would want a higher quality level of movement at that price point. It is a nice, gentleman's pw and appears to have a nice dial, its' best asset along with the Moon hands.

I'd wear it and enjoy it.

Of course I will!, thank you for your feedback.
Regards.

ghce · Wed. 1:01pm

As an interesting aside it's the same symbol that Rotary watches use on their pocket watches and wrist watches.
Whether or not it's relevant Rotary sourced a lot of their movements and watches from 3rd parties.

Claudious05 · Wed. 1:15pm

ghce
As an interesting aside it's the same symbol that Rotary watches use on their pocket watches and wrist watches.
Whether or not it's relevant Rotary sourced a lot of their movements and watches from 3rd parties.

Really interesting.

Thank you.

Pastorbottle · Wed. 5:04pm

It would seem the more images of trains and railway stuff a watch has the less likely it is to be of railway standard!