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  1. padders Oooo subtitles! Mar 14, 2021

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    That website you link to is very informative. I have a couple of others too, which I bought primarily because they are pretty, but I suspect these might have rather less horological kudos, particularly from the US POV, nevertheless if all are welcome then here goes:

    Dennison (UK) 9K cased open face, Hallmark for 1924. Swiss movement by Visible, nice blued hands.

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    Another 9K Dennison cased model, this time a half hunter. Dates (I think) to 1922. Swiss movement by Buren (who eventually were bought by Hamilton). Shares quite a few similarities with the above:

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    Open face model in 18K gold dated to 1851 by London hallmark. English movement marked M Whitehead, Westerham, which means nothing to me lol. Mens size but quite delicate in build.

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    Finally, chunky Sterling silver full face with yellowing cellulose crystal, has Chester hallmark for 1891. Movement, presumably English, has natty removable cover, with R Andrew and Denny engraved on it.

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  2. TexOmega Mar 14, 2021

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    Love the fishscale design on your Hallmarked 1924 watch:thumbsup:
     
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  3. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    @padders

    Picture 4 shows a Demi-hunter (half-hunter). Picture 5 shows the same watch with the cover open. This watch has the correct “double-spade” hand for a demi-hunter. It allows the owner to tell the time without having to open the cover. The cover is etched then the etching filled with black vitreous enamel, resulting in a complete 12-hour dial with minutes chapter ring. Unique that the vitreous enamel is all there. That is not seen, too often.

    Dennison cases. Aaron Lufkin Dennison was involved with Edward Howard, in the founding of the Howard, Davis, & Dennison Watch company in 1850. After numerous name changes, it became the American (Waltham) Watch Co. Howard was the practical technical guru, and Dennison was the impractical dreamer. Early in the years, the firm imported dials and movement components from England. Dennison moved to England, and was the point man there. After Howard and Dennison went their separate ways, Howard stayed and founded the E Howard Watch Co. Dennison stayed in England, and founded the Dennison, Watch Case Co. Dennison was also the agent in England for the Waltham Watch Co. we see lots of Waltham movements in Dennison cases.

    A lot of English watch movements were started in Lancashire, to be finished by “finishers” all over England. There are far more names on English movements than there were watchmakers.

    The hunter case in picture 8 is particularly attractive.

    Your 12th shows a movement engraved R Andrews, location, Denny. Neither Loomes or Baillie show this dude. He was likely a “finisher”, but not a maker. As with so many English watches of this era, the balance wheel,is “undersprung”, meaning the hairspring is beneath the balance wheel, pinned to the bridge over the train wheels.
     
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  4. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    @TexOmega ,

    You want a “thick” crystal for your Elgin. There will only be so much room under that front cover! I’m not certain you’ll be able to close the cover on a thick crystal. I am wondering if your Elgin is a private label for M D Ogden, or if that was a grade of movement. Well! Wonder no longer. It was a grade, as per the attached. Interesting!


    https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/265219
     
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  6. padders Oooo subtitles! Mar 14, 2021

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    Thanks! You have helped me to appreciate these rather more than I have in the past. These have languished at the back of a safe for several years since I knew that the rabbit hole I would need to go down to do them justice would be deep. I had forgotten how attractive these can be.
     
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  7. DaveK Yoda of Yodelers Mar 14, 2021

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    My pleasure!

    There’s a good amount of info about the GW and his family online https://vitacollections.ca/kl-digitalarchive/477/exhibit/3

    Where your watch was purchased

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    The family home

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  8. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    I have begun to appreciate very much just how interesting pocket watches are, when you look beyond the surface. Thanks for the link, @DaveK
     
  9. DaveK Yoda of Yodelers Mar 14, 2021

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    Private label pocket watches are an entire world of collecting all on their own. Thanks for sharing yours
     
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  10. TexOmega Mar 14, 2021

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    Named after the investor/corporate leaders of the company
     
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  11. Mad Dog rockpaperscissorschampion Mar 14, 2021

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    Double dipping today...already posted in the WRUW Today thread...now posting in this thread. Korean War era U.S. issued Breitling mil watch...

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  12. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    My Bestfit catalog tells me the Breitling has a Valjoux calibre 24 movement in it. A bit more complex than
    @Mad Dog ’s Eta 6445 in his AWCI project watch. Nothing deterred. Stay tuned when @Mad Dog decides to service his Breitling!;)

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  13. LesXL Mar 14, 2021

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    This gorgeous Hanhart military pocketPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network watch was just sold today on eBay here in Belgium for around 1,250€
    Have no idea if it was a good price or not... What do you guys think?

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    From the item description, the following was written:
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    ... Beautiful Hanhart issued French military chronograph. The watch is in mint condition as you can see on pictures!
    Dial is in perfect condition.
    Case is in great shape, almost perfect.
    The back has “Armée Française” “1068” written on it
    The Hanhart cal.40 movement is in great condition, running perfectly, all functions working perfectly...

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    A very nice piece, to my eyes!
     
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  14. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    I have to convert to $ Canadian. That is $1,865.00 Canadian! When someone has something for sale, it is possible to have the whole world to tout your item to. When an item is within your sphere of interest, and when you like the item, and want it, I guess $1,850.00 (Cdn.) seems like a fair price. If I had that much money burning a hole in my pocket, I’d be looking for a different watch. I don’t collect military watches.
     
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  15. LesXL Mar 14, 2021

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    I hear you, I guess my question is to understand if military pocket watches are as sought after as railroad ones for example, or any other type.
     
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  16. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    I know there is an NAWCC chapter whose members focus on military timekeepers. That is one chapter out of about 180 chapters that focus on military watches. My focus is on American made railroad grade and railroad approved watches, as far as pocket watches are concerned. But! I have more than twice as many wrist watches in my collection. So I’m probably not the guy to answer your question. Military watches are a niche area in a very broad range of what is available out there. But to those that collect them, they are the greatest. I have one military watch. A WWII Elgin “jitterbug” timer. I have it, not because I plan on collecting military, but I have it for practical reasons, in my workshop.
     
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  17. DaveK Yoda of Yodelers Mar 14, 2021

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  18. Canuck Mar 14, 2021

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    @padders ,

    A lot of watch collectors have watches that they have little or no sentimental connection to. But intrinsic value comes from learning about these same watches. Gaining knowledge about the collectibles we have, can make us appreciate them more. I am fascinated by the intangibles regarding watches. The history, the evolution, what sets particular watches apart, how they are made, what particular properties add unique qualities to them. Sometimes it is necessary to look at them with fresh eyes in order to awaken an interest in a watch you thought you had lost interest in.
     
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  19. LesXL Mar 15, 2021

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  20. Canuck Mar 15, 2021

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    This is a watch I bought from a friend, about 25-years ago. At one time, he owned about 500 watches, mostly American, railroad grade, and railroad approved. He married later in life, and his new wife owned horses. So they were looking to buy an acreage nearby, and he needed to raise some funds. He opened up part of his collection to potential buyers, one of whom was me. The subject watch is the one I chose, for reasons that it is a Hamilton, and it is in exquisite condition.

    This one is a Hamilton 941, the hunter cased version of the railroad standard Hamilton grade 940. This one is railroad grade in that it is every bit like the railroad approved grade 940, but being in a hunter case, it would not have been railroad approved. The Hamilton grade 940 was one of the most popular 18-size models for railroad use. Hamilton grade numbers for open faced pocket watches were even numbers (i. e. 936, 940, 942, 944, 946 which are all open faced, 18-size grades), and odd numbers (923, 925, 927, 929, 931 etc., which are all 18-size, hunter cased models). This one is grade 941, 18-size, 21-jewels, lever set, double roller, patent micrometer regulator, adjusted to 5 positions, heat, cold, isochronism, (8-adjustments), bi-metallic, temperature compensating balance wheel, blued steel, Breguet hairspring, double-sunk, vitreous enamel, 12-hour dial, gold jewel settings and balance screws, motor barrel, gold filled hunter case. Not railroad approved because of the hunter case. Made circa 1913, by which time, the 18-size watch was losing favour to the smaller, slimmer 16-size models. When this one was made, the days were numbered for these larger watches.

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