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  1. joeshoup Jul 29, 2020

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    I'm most familiar with his bridge by the train station in Venice, and it's just that - an exercise in architect's vanity which lacks respect for its surroundings. Though this could be said of most of the most famous architects these days (Gehry, Hadid, etc)
     
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  2. buramu Jul 29, 2020

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    Or its parties... impossible to drink a beer and have a snack in those pretentious costumes...

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  3. pongster Jul 29, 2020

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    horologically, it is a PP model (their thin dress watches).

    it seems it also refers to a case type. Even patek does so.

    The patek website currently describes the 5327J as:

    “5327J
    GRAND COMPLICATIONS
    SELF-WINDING
    A new self-winding perpetual calendar has been added to the Patek Philippe collection. It comes in a Calatrava case with beautifully scalloped lugs and applied Breguet numerals.
    The yellow- and rosegold models feature ivory lacquered dials with recessed counters. The white-gold version has a blue sunburst dial. The watches come with a sapphire-crystal case back and an interchangeable solid-gold back.”

    So it is not a Calatrava model (since it is in the Grand Complications Collection and not the Calatrava Collection) but it comes in a Calatrava case?

    Or it is also a Calatrava model?

    Do the perpetual calendar chronographs like the 3970E also come in a Calatrava case?

    in any case, the name was derived from the cross of the order of calatrava.
     
  4. JwRosenthal Jul 29, 2020

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    Not just these days- and not just reserved to Architects, engineers have been known to show their vanity as well.

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    Whether we see it as vanity or creativity is very subjective.
     
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  5. connieseamaster Jul 29, 2020

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    There's a difference between designing a structure that reflects it's purpose, structural demands, and environment (Golden Gate Bridge, Fallingwater, Willis (formerly Sears Tower), Sagrada Familia, the Dulles main terminal) and drawing something up on paper and having it built because you can. Othmar Amman, Wright, Candela, Isler, and Gaudi are examples of the former. Calatrava and Ghery are examples of the latter.
     
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  6. connieseamaster Jul 29, 2020

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    He bills himself as a "structural designer". ::puke:: sorry, this has clearly hit a bit of a nerve.:cool:
     
  7. JwRosenthal Jul 29, 2020

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    I’m with you, just making a point that historically, all of the aforementioned architects/engineers were seen as vain and arrogant (Wright being known as a diva) and are now considered visionary. Who’s to say Calatrava or Ghery won’t be seen the same way in the future. Like anything design oriented (structures, watches, cars, furniture, dish-ware...) it’s highly subjective.
     
  8. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jul 29, 2020

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    Wright's buildings were reportedly nightmares for the structural engineers -- and these days they are nightmares for the structural engineers who have to fix all the concrete issues. And from a leak perspective, many things were detailed in a manner that thumbed a nose at good waterproofing detailing convention.

    Ghery gives me heartburn as well. The city library right down the street from me was designed by him/ his firm. It has been a big, out-of-place eyesore. Loads of water penetration issues as well. It's about 20 years old now, and many of the issues are finally getting addressed.

    Dulles isn't too bad. But it admittedly lost some of it's feel when they extended it a decade or two ago. Too much of a good thing?
     
  9. SkunkPrince Jul 29, 2020

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    It's unfortunate how crappy many of these architects were. I've heard that Wright's furniture is nearly unsuable. He certainly wasn't an engineer.

    I have more respect for the industrial designers like Henry Dreyfuss (name his horological fame!) and Brooks Stevens (same hometown as me).
     
  10. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Jul 29, 2020

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    It’s rather sad to see so many pragmatists voicing their unchallenged opinions in this thread.

    So, here is a vote for the idealists (whether architect or inspired engineer)

    We certainly don’t all have to agree on what is good architecture and some designs may be less technically successful than they could but without the visionaries we would be living in a very dull world indeed.
     
  11. SkunkPrince Jul 29, 2020

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    Well, they have a point. Doesn't matter how pretty it is if it falls down around you and on your head.
     
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  12. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jul 29, 2020

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    In my opinion it's one thing to have a vision and push for it while incorporating meaningful feedback, and another to say "I don't care if it isn't technically feasible -- do it anyway!" When this happens with large buildings, particularly ones in the public sector, the taxpayers get saddled with substantial extra burden.
     
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  13. arturo7 Jul 29, 2020

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    I don't think any of those people need a beer.

    And they look like they've had plenty of "snacks."
     
  14. Professor Jul 31, 2020

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    First I heard of the Calatrava was in an episode of "Elementary". Sherlock Holmes father Moreland Holmes was murdered and they were able to trace one of the killers when he tried to sell Moreland's watch.
     
  15. queriver Jul 31, 2020

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    Yes! There's a Gehry "because you can" building in Sydney.

    The company that supplied the bricks says this about the project on their website (Source: https://www.brickworks.com.au/project/dr-chau-chak-wing-building):

    - "Gehry’s design required brickwork that curves in three dimensions, not only horizontally but also vertically. There lies the problem."

    - "Substantial areas of brickwork in the Dr Chau Chak Wing Building are not vertical, but actually progressively sloping outwards toward or away from the bricklayer at about 26 degrees from the vertical."

    - "In the UTS building, unless the brickwork is somehow restrained the force of gravity would cause it to collapse before the mortar had set."

    - “The brick engineering was quite a complicated feature of the building, perhaps one of the most complicated in the history of bricks,”

    Here is Frank Gehry’s initial sketch for the Dr Chau Chak Wing Building. Image courtesy of Gehry Partners LLP -

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    And the result -

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  16. Professor Jul 31, 2020

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    Looks inspired by one of the cardboard buildings from an old Japanese Kaiju movie after being drop kicked by Godzilla.
     
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  17. queriver Jul 31, 2020

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    You're not far off. It's the crumpled brown paper bag building.
     
  18. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jul 31, 2020

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    At least the glazing manufacturer(s) appear to have told him to 'eff-off', as none of the glazing is curved.

    Hopefully Sydney is in an area of low seismic risk.
     
  19. rcs914 Jul 31, 2020

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    That initial "sketch" has got to be a joke right?
     
  20. JwRosenthal Jul 31, 2020

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    I think the brick manufacturer and construction contractor deserve the awards on that one.