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Cal. 343 RG with central second (SC)? / Rotor discussion

  1. dr.strangelove

    dr.strangelove Mar 16, 2018

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    Hey guys!
    Need your help with that one:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Omeg...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
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    - having done a little bit of research for the early bumper movements, in my understanding, the early calibers never came with a SC, but always with a subsecond. Earliest caliber with a SC in my mind is 350. Right or wrong?
    - also, I've been seeing a couple of Ref/cal. mismatches on eBay recently. It seems the 2577 and 2576 refs are quite popularl cases mismatched with the 343 cal. Right or wrong?

    Cheers!
     
  2. dr.strangelove

    dr.strangelove Mar 16, 2018

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    oh, forgot the best thing about this dial: OFFICIALLY CERTIFIE.......... :)
     
  3. tdn-dk

    tdn-dk Mar 16, 2018

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    Here is the family tree:

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  4. X350 XJR Ω 1

    X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Mar 16, 2018

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    Center seconds RG would be a cal 352, so something isn't right here.
     
  5. dr.strangelove

    dr.strangelove Mar 16, 2018

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    Is it possible to operate a SC dial with a sub second movement?
     
  6. pippy

    pippy Mar 17, 2018

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    Nice looking watch though.
     
  7. Tony C. Ω 2

    Tony C. Ωf Jury member Mar 17, 2018

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    Only with a modification.
     
  8. Rman Ω 1

    Rman Mar 17, 2018

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    Movement, case, and dial from 3 different watches AKA FrickinFranken
     
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  9. dr.strangelove

    dr.strangelove Mar 18, 2018

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    A month ago, I would have been the silly fool paying >880 EUR for this one. Thanks to this forum, I am leaning back now and enjoy the hunt... :)
     
  10. gatorcpa Ω 2

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 18, 2018

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    I think that the movement is a cal. 352 with a replaced bridge. Therefore dial, movement and case go together. I also think that the dial was harshly cleaned at one time, which would explain the missing letters.

    I find that the simplest explanation is usually the best.
    gatorcpa
     
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  11. TNTwatch

    TNTwatch Mar 18, 2018

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    Also a replaced rotor. Serial is very high for both 343 and 352. Dial too thoroughly cleaned with all the lume gone as well.

    Must be something special with all those bidders ;)
     
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  12. gatorcpa Ω 2

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 18, 2018

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    Maybe, maybe not. There were some cal. 352 that did not have the chronometer language in the rotors. Although with a 13M serial number, you are probably correct.

    No way to know for sure.
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  13. TNTwatch

    TNTwatch Mar 18, 2018

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    That on a 343, yes. On a 352, I'd say never (meaning franken until proven otherwise).
     
  14. gatorcpa Ω 2

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 18, 2018

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    I have a cal. 352, pre-1950. Serial 11.5M. It didn’t have the chronometer language on the rotor. I replaced it with an engraved version when I had the chance. I was told by some very astute collectors at that time they can come either way.

    Even Omega could not confirm or deny.

    Never say never with vintage Omega.
    gatorcpa
     
  15. dr.strangelove

    dr.strangelove Mar 18, 2018

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    sorry for the noob question: by "chronometer language" you guys mean the "adjusted five (5) positions and temperature", right?
     
  16. mac_omega Ω 1

    mac_omega Mar 18, 2018

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    yep
     
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  17. M'Bob Ω 2

    M'Bob Mar 18, 2018

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    Except that ref. 145.022 did not come with a cal. 321...
     
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  18. TNTwatch

    TNTwatch Mar 18, 2018

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    Not sure why Omega wouldn't confirm or deny in your case, but officially, the 333, 343 and 352 should always have the rotor with chronometer language. The part lists for these calibres specify specifically different rotor than those non-chronometers.

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  19. gatorcpa Ω 2

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 18, 2018

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    AC685D22-DCCA-4590-873E-C40DF43AD96A.jpeg

    And look at the rotor on this ad.

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    Avoid using words like “always” and “never”. Omega did a lot of weird things in the 1950’s.
    gatorcpa
     
  20. dr.strangelove

    dr.strangelove Mar 18, 2018

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    Here is another probably basic question for the pros:
    Not sure if I am seeing ghosts, but there seems to be different wording for the 28.10 RA JUB vs. the 343 RG:
    - ADJUSTED FIVE (5) POSITIONS AND TEMPERATURE (28.10 RA JUB)
    - ADJUSTED FIVE (5) POSITIONS AND TEMPERATURES (343 RG)
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    (Ref is from Desmond Guilfoyle).

    Isnt't that really weird? I mean from a grammatical standpoint, the singular version should really be wrong, because these movements are supposed to be adjusted not just at five positions and 1 temperature, but also at 5 temperatureS ?!? Were the guys in Biel in a hurry 1948 to get the 100 year movement just in time? Seriously? I don't understand it, so anyone chiming in here for help would be much appreciated :)